whitesoxfan101 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I agree on wanting to see the whole video, but I would have even had the conspiracy allegations not been out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 02:15 PM) Well, I'd at least want to see the whole video. I'm sure that'd be your first thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 03:16 PM) I agree on wanting to see the whole video, but I would have even had the conspiracy allegations not been out there. Her explanation is that the rest of the video was a discussion of how she overcame her own initial prejudice in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) Her explanation is that the rest of the video was a discussion of how she overcame her own initial prejudice in the case. "I was just trying to make a joke!" - Michael Richards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 I don't understand why she would resign if that's the case. Just take the firing instead, so that if it comes out that you're right and the video is out of context, you play a much better victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) I don't understand why she would resign if that's the case. Just take the firing instead, so that if it comes out that you're right and the video is out of context, you play a much better victim. Because the Administration came down hard on her last night. To the point that she probably was going to lose her job either by firing or by resignation, and I'm sure there's some benefit that you keep if you resign. Sherrod told CNN on Tuesday that she was told repeatedly to resign Monday afternoon after the clip surfaced. "They harassed me," she said. "I got three calls from the White House. At one point they asked me to pull over to the side of the road and do it because you are going to be on Glenn Beck tonight." Sherrod said the calls came from Cheryl Cook, USDA deputy undersecretary for rural development. "The administration was not interested in hearing the truth. They didn't want to hear the truth," Sherrod said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 If that is true, shame on the administration for being more interested in covering their own asses than finding out, you know, what actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) If that is true, shame on the administration for being more interested in covering their own asses than finding out, you know, what actually happened. On that one, I think we can almost guarantee that the higher ups saw the video and said "This person needs to be gone right now". It's a damn inflammatory video if taken fully at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 02:30 PM) On that one, I think we can almost guarantee that the higher ups saw the video and said "This person needs to be gone right now". It's a damn inflammatory video if taken fully at face value. Well yeah, but look how quickly the context of it has come into question. I think the administration could have shown a little restraint here, it's not like they aren't going to be attacked by the Glenn Beck's of the world regardless in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Context may show the extent of the racism, but, I fail to see how it can remove it. What she said, in public, as a public official, is unacceptable, and she deserved to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yeah I stand by the fact that she wouldn't have resigned if she truly thought she was blameless. Regardless of what the administration was telling her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Supposedly, the company that did the filming has sent the full video to the NAACP, and the NAACP head is personally calling the lady at the moment according to his twitter feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 01:26 PM) AJC how do you that is the person she was talking about? she has only worked one case? seriously, i don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 from what I'm seeing on the news, she should get her job back and is owed an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 05:50 PM) from what I'm seeing on the news, she should get her job back and is owed an apology. Seriously? I'm open to seeing the full context, but regardless of that context, I can't see how her words would be acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) Seriously? I'm open to seeing the full context, but regardless of that context, I can't see how her words would be acceptable. from what i saw, she explains that she ended up helping the farmer and she was wrong with her initial prejudices. it was along the lines of helping people whom need help should not be about race. the controversial statements, for the most part, seem like they were the build up for the story. Edited July 20, 2010 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 06:28 PM) from what i saw, she explains that she ended up helping the farmer and she was wrong with her initial prejudices. it was along the lines of helping people whom need help should not be about race. the controversial statements, for the most part, seem like they were the build up for the story. So using her job to abuse people based on racism is OK if they are sorry for it later? Well I guess it worked for Byrd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 06:37 PM) So using her job to abuse people based on racism is OK if they are sorry for it later? Well I guess it worked for Byrd... it might have been more of a case of intending to abuse based on race, then deciding not to. but i haven't seen the whole tape, so i don't know Edited July 21, 2010 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 It cracks me up how the filters, context, gotta be careful how this looks, etc. crowd here would be like flies on s*** to condemn a Republican in this instance, context or not. And, there'd be 5,354,852 videos, posts, and comments about what an evil, racist bastard that Republican is, again, context or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Tuesday, July 20, 2010 NAACP Posts Full Video of Sherrod Speech [stephen Spruiell] The NAACP has posted the full video of the Shirley Sherrod speech. After watching it, it is impossible not to conclude that the Obama administration made the wrong decision in forcing her resignation. I'd encourage you to watch the video for yourself, but the summary version is as follows: After experiencing some hard-core white racism in the segregated South (her father was murdered by white men who were never convicted), Sherrod made a commitment to help black southerners in bad situations. "When I made that commitment," she said, "I was making that commitment to black people and to black people only. But you know, God will show you things... you realize that the struggle is really about poor people." She then proceeded to tell the story featured in the clip that Breitbart published (he says he received the clip in its edited form). A white farmer came to her for help, and because she perceived him to be like the others, she fobbed him off on a white lawyer — "his own kind." But the lawyer didn't help the farmer, and that is what led Sherrod to revise her previous biases against whites and to resolve to assist all economically distressed farmers, white or black, who came to her for help. As for the ongoing dispute between the NAACP and the tea party and the various accusations of racism that have been flying of late: Sherrod's story was about overcoming racist views, including those held by blacks, illustrated by way of her personal story. The moral of her story would be obsolete if she didn't feel that some in the NAACP still harbored prejudiced views of whites; there would be no need for her to tell that story to that particular audience. Large and vibrant political organizations attract all kinds of people, and some of those people are bound to be racists. It would be stupid to pretend there are no racists in the tea party, just as it would be dumb to argue that there are no racists in the NAACP; furthermore, it would be beside the point. The "who's more racist" argument is tangential to the philosophical dispute between the two groups that lies at the heart of all this. Perhaps because that dispute — which concerns the size and scope of the federal government's redistributive power — is so heated and unbridgeable, we have descended into pointless and destructive race-baiting (although it's pretty clear who always plays the race card first). A few more things that are clear: It's clear that Sherrod is on the other side of that philosophical debate from me. It's also clear that she used to view whites with a prejudiced eye. But, finally, it is clear that she doesn't anymore, and that the administration forced Sherrod to resign before all the facts were in hand. Secretary Vilsack should correct this mistake. Considering the new facts that have come to light, that shouldn't be too difficult. 07/20 09:23 PMShare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Seems like I actually agree with a post CC linked from NR, I didn't think that would ever happen. lol. I didn't watch the video but if the author says that's what's in the video then I'll take his word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 The article doesn't really do anything for me. I will have to just watch the video. Seems to me she took a racist angle in doing her job, then later decided she was wrong and tried to correct it. In the overall sense, that's good that she grew as a person. But that doesn't change that she did her job using race as a basis for action, not to mention she still said things in public that an official like her never should. Still should have been fired, I think, but I will watch that tonight and see if it gives me a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) It cracks me up how the filters, context, gotta be careful how this looks, etc. crowd here would be like flies on s*** to condemn a Republican in this instance, context or not. And, there'd be 5,354,852 videos, posts, and comments about what an evil, racist bastard that Republican is, again, context or not. Usually, the explanation we get from your side 2 days later is "Oh he/she was joking". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 "Will Obama invite Shirley Sherrod and Tom Vilsack over for a beer?" H/T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 21, 2010 -> 08:09 AM) Usually, the explanation we get from your side 2 days later is "Oh he/she was joking". It has worked for Joe Biden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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