Jenksismyhero Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) Who pays for the person's food and shelter while at the community college? The same people that pay for it now while they're in grade school? The public! Edited September 19, 2012 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/32464...-eliana-johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) That white guy in the collared shirt cant rap for s***. Edited September 19, 2012 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) There is a simple and historically accurate reply here. "Economics is not a morality play". It doesn't matter whether you don't want your money going to bail out a homeowner, if that helps the economy its the right move. Paying these mortgages is extremely destructive to the economy. It artificially raises home prices and keeps people out of the housing market. The market needs to fix it self, we do not need to pay off these mortgages. They can rent and allow other people a chance to be home owners. It's the whole "free money" problem that caused the housing bubble. Edited September 19, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) How long could you afford your reasonably priced house if you lost your job for 2-4 years starting today? Would you just be another "dumbass?" or if you lose your house because you can't afford the massive tax increase on it to pay some teacher 100K a year to work half the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 04:44 PM) No, people shouldn't be rewarded for being stupid, but neither should banks...the point of this is to help those that were caught in-between the stupidity of both. but those wall street bankers gave a lot of bribe money to Obama. The are entitled to a billion dollar bailout bonus. Edited September 19, 2012 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 03:31 PM) or if you lose your house because you can't afford the massive tax increase on it to pay some teacher 100K a year to work half the year. Wow. The school year has been cut in half! No wonder we're falling behind in science and math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 05:42 PM) Wow. The school year has been cut in half! No wonder we're falling behind in science and math. Well, you are just going to accept it. Chicago teacher contract: work 5 hours a day, for only half the year, and get overpaid. Plus luxurious multimillion dollar pension. All while the hard working middle class of Chicago are removed from their homes, so the greedy elite can have more money. It's a very sad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 05:42 PM) Wow. The school year has been cut in half! No wonder we're falling behind in science and math. The first part of your statement aside, most of this is based on a false notion that the US was ever on top in science and math...and we never were. As a matter of fact, we were never even close. This is a pretty good write up debunking this widely accepted educational myth: http://www.good.is/posts/debunking-educati...er-one-in-math/ We were never on top in neither math or science...not for a second, not ever in history. What America was #1 in, however, was opportunity. And we still are. See Facebook for a recent reference. Or Amazon, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 04:26 PM) There is a simple and historically accurate reply here. "Economics is not a morality play". It doesn't matter whether you don't want your money going to bail out a homeowner, if that helps the economy its the right move. It doesn't matter whether you don't want your money going to bail out a wall street bank, if that saves the financial system its the right move. You can take steps to make things more moral if you'd like, but they can't prevent things from working. If you want to apply morality? Great. Fix the system so wall street can't blow itself up. It'd be great if the President followed that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 04:42 PM) People shouldn't be rewarded for being stupid. The banks shouldn't have been bailed out, and these idiots should have lost their homes. We're not talking about people 2 years away from owning their home outright. We're talking about idiots that took on a 30 ARM with a balloon payment a few years down the line that was way more than they could afford. They don't deserve to keep their home. Your desire to see bad people punished, to make the economy a morality play hurts everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) or if you lose your house because you can't afford the massive tax increase on it to pay some teacher 100K a year to work half the year. That is your fault you lazy, irresponsible moocher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 07:07 PM) That is your fault you lazy, irresponsible moocher! Not if I have anything to do about it! I am fighting for the middle class against the wealthy elites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 03:27 PM) Well, you are obviously a dumbass since you didn't read my part about having a program for people just like you mentioned. edit: if you are asking me personally I can go about 2 years, maybe a little more. I planned ahead. In fact, I was out of work for almost 18 months and never missed a payment, because I planned ahead. BALTA HE SAID ASS! i'm serious i'm kind of pissed i got banned for the same s*** everyone else is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) Your desire to see bad people punished, to make the economy a morality play hurts everyone. This is the exact platform of our President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 08:01 PM) BALTA HE SAID ASS! i'm serious i'm kind of pissed i got banned for the same s*** everyone else is doing. Why are you trying to get other people into trouble all the time? I don't think anyone on this forum has been banned more than I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 06:49 AM) Why are you trying to get other people into trouble all the time? I don't think anyone on this forum has been banned more than I have. i'm not. i just want balta to respond to me, but for some reason he wont. he banned me because he doesn't like me, not because i said anything egregious. that's what i'm trying to point out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 07:50 AM) i'm not. i just want balta to respond to me, but for some reason he wont. he banned me because he doesn't like me, not because i said anything egregious. that's what i'm trying to point out. Why wouldn't he like you? You're just so likable. If I was O'Reilly, you'd be my Jon Stewart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) Your desire to see bad people punished, to make the economy a morality play hurts everyone. By this logic there should never be bankruptcy, the gov't should just step in and pay everyone off. That's bunk and you know it. Morality has nothing to do with it, just like government should have nothing to do with fixing other people's egregious errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 07:02 AM) Why wouldn't he like you? You're just so likable. If I was O'Reilly, you'd be my Jon Stewart. hahaha yeah i know. isn't it weird how internet personas develop? i think everyone's a little bit more of an ass online than they are in real life. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 07:49 AM) This is the exact platform of our President. Not exactly but yeah I think him and the rest of the neoliberal technocrat Dems buy into "markets as an external moral force" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 08:36 AM) By this logic there should never be bankruptcy, the gov't should just step in and pay everyone off. That's bunk and you know it. Morality has nothing to do with it, just like government should have nothing to do with fixing other people's egregious errors. Can you lay out in more detail how "the economy isn't a moral game" leads to "there should be no bankruptcies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) George Hamilton, err I mean Mitt Romney looked darker in front of a Latino audience. Did this doofus get a fake tan to "appeal" to Latino voters? SMH http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/20/1...eak-to-Mexicans Latino is a culture, not a race. Mexican soap actress Silvia Navarro Mexican soccer player Giovanni Dos Santos Romney won't attract more Latino votes by getting darker...Mexicans and all Latinos come in all colors. Edited September 20, 2012 by MexSoxFan#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 03:34 PM) Can you lay out in more detail how "the economy isn't a moral game" leads to "there should be no bankruptcies" If you're fine bailing out people who purposefully (or negligently) f*** up and lose everything and the only thing that matters is the economics, than you might as well get rid of the bankruptcy system and step in and pay for the employees of poorly run businesses to keep their jobs and for the businesses to continue operation because their net effect is probably more than the cost of helping them out. According to Balta, bailing out GM was actually a net positive, so why not extend that logic to every business? Why not pay off my student loans so I have more money to spend in other parts of the economy (which will eventually make more than the cost of paying off my loans)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 20, 2012 -> 04:23 PM) George Hamilton, err I mean Mitt Romney looked darker in front of a Latino audience. Romney is a pandering dumbass. Basically, a Democrat got on the top of the GOP ticket. f*** him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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