Jake Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 10:07 AM) Just remember, if anything they ever said about guns being useful in keeping people safe was true...they'd be funding enormous amounts of research on their own to make that case. They'd want the government doing that research. They're not dumb. They know the answer is going to be "you're 10x safer if you're unarmed". They'd rather not have the answer. I'm sure they believe you're safer -- but they also know that research is likely to be at times mixed even when there is a single correct answer. They don't want any mixed messages. Reminds me of Monsanto, who have been behind things like aspartame (completely safe) but never wanted to actually find out whether it would stand up to research or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) To preserve personal liberties, to prevent numbers from being skewed and misquoted, whatever, I have no idea. I'm not a member of the NRA, don't particularly care for the NRA, and I wish they'd be a little more willing to negotiate and compromise. Nah gun owners have compromised enough. Imagine gun owners had a pie... 1934- We cut it in half for the sake of compromise and let the NFA pass 1968- We cut it in half for the sake of compromise and let the GCA pass 1986- We cut it in half for the sake of compromise and let FOPA pass 1994- After decades of compromise we got the 1994 AWB, because all we'd done before just wasn't enough. So of the original pie we have about 1/8th remain. We've had our rights looted. So I'm not compromising an inch. The NRA, SAF and GOA aren't either. No longer are we going to play nice with you whateveryouares, you want to take more of our rights get ready for war. Were sick of it. Edited January 25, 2013 by DukeNukeEm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 09:23 AM) No longer are we going to play nice with you f**gots, you want to take more of our rights get ready for war. Were sick of it. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...t=0&start=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Edited for BigSqwerts sensibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 lol, just can't help bringing up gays and rape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Studying guns and public policy = TOOK 'ER GUNZ!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 lol, just can't help bringing up gays and rape To be fair the word I used that apparently makes you all cry for TEH OPPRESSED GAYS IN R CUONTRY is often used with zero connotation to homosexuals. See the Louis CK skit if this goes over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Studying guns and public policy = TOOK 'ER GUNZ!!!! At this point we know better than to give the blatantly biased academic culture or the gun grabbing government any more ammunition in the fight against our 2A rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 11:31 AM) To be fair the word I used that apparently makes you all cry for TEH OPPRESSED GAYS IN R CUONTRY is often used with zero connotation to homosexuals. See the Louis CK skit if this goes over your head. It is still highly offensive to homosexuals, just as the n-word is highly offensive to African Americans, even if it isn't used with that connotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 In related firearms news, Emanuel... http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/ema...ing-gun-makers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 09:55 AM) Actually the government has also banned the FBI from collecting and sharing most types of data involving guns. They can keep the most general statistics (like total number of incidents) but they can barely record anything else and they're limited in what they can share with even local law enforcement. But you know this is bulls*** because there are studies that have looking into the use of guns in shootings for your SYG argument and they rely on FBI data. And guess what, it's called FOIA. Start sending letters to state/county/state police departments and you can get all the information you want except names and contact information. I want to know what specific information you think people can't get. You want to prove that you're 10 times safer not using a gun, then crimes where guns are involved (readily available!) will give you that. This is just something else to b**** about with the NRA. I get it, they suck, they're an antiquated origination, but you're just b****ing to b**** over you're insanely unreasonable fear of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 The states/counties/etc. are not allowed to collect certain types of data. FOIA doesn't mean s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 12:53 PM) The states/counties/etc. are not allowed to collect certain types of data. FOIA doesn't mean s***. WHAT DATA!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Inventories, actual numbers of guns, where they're bought and sold, background checks. Basically, any way to actually track and crack down on straw purchases and the dealers who enable them. e.g. start on page 2037, line 23: http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/title/x...ing-quality.pdf Edited January 25, 2013 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well considering it just gets leaked out, put on Gawker and jeopardizes the safety of lawful gun owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) Oh God. "lawful, lawful, lawful." Everything in there is keeping the government from infringing on the lawful owners lawful use of weapons. Nothing prevents police departments from keeping track - for criminal purposes - of anything you just mentioned. Edit: if that's all you got, i'm changing my opinion to openly backing the NRA's lobbying efforts there. Edited January 25, 2013 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 (edited) gun stores do not have to keep inventories. background checks are destroyed within 24 hours. they don't have the tools or the information to systematically track straw purchases. if you have to wait until a gun is used in a crime to start gathering any data, then you've already lost most of the trail. still not sure why you're openly backing the gathering of information and the studying of it. even if you don't want to make a policy change based on that information, why would you oppose more understanding? Edited January 25, 2013 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 01:15 PM) gun stores do not have to keep inventories. background checks are destroyed within 24 hours. they don't have the tools or the information to systematically track straw purchases. still not sure why you're openly backing the gathering of information and the studying of it. even if you don't want to make a policy change based on that information, why would you oppose more understanding? Log all phone calls! Log all emails! There's gotta be useful information in there. f*** it! The ends justify the means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) Log all phone calls! Log all emails! There's gotta be useful information in there. f*** it! The ends justify the means! Go to a Walgreens and try to buy 30 boxes of Sudafed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 11:19 AM) Log all phone calls! Log all emails! There's gotta be useful information in there. f*** it! The ends justify the means! You're comparing keeping track of inventory accurately to recording phone calls? Great comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) Go to a Walgreens and try to buy 30 boxes of Sudafed. LOL. Do they track sudafed purchases? Does everyone have to register for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Have you seriously not bought anything with pseudoephedrine in it in the last 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 02:25 PM) LOL. Do they track sudafed purchases? Does everyone have to register for it? If you want to buy them, yeah. At least here they do. I go buy 30 boxes of Sudafed, I'm going to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 25, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) Have you seriously not bought anything with pseudoephedrine in it in the last 5 years? They got it from locked cabinet. They didn't require me to register the box and I really doubt they report it to the authorities. But it's been a few years, so perhaps that's changed. And if so, that's f***ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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