The Republican Thread

[StrangeSox]

I honest to god dont value statistics much

shocking

[Reddy]

shocking

 

but yet he cherry picks them when they suit his misguided purposes. hilarious.

[Balta1701]

By the way, the DA in the Australian murder case has declined to seek hate crime charges.

 

The reason given in his statement to the Press? Well, they couldn't prove that the killing was racially motivated. Mostly because the 3 people in custody consist of 1 African American, 1 Caucasian, and 1 half-African/half Caucasian.

[DukeNukeEm]

By the way, the DA in the Australian murder case has declined to seek hate crime charges.

 

The reason given in his statement to the Press? Well, they couldn't prove that the killing was racially motivated. Mostly because the 3 people in custody consist of 1 African American, 1 Caucasian, and 1 half-African/half Caucasian.

Even though one of the guys who murdered him paraded around social media bragging about how he was going to kill (or had killed) some white people. If George Zimmerman had tweeted 2 days before shooting Trayvon Martin "THESE FILTHY APES MAKE ME SICK #HATEBLACKS" you'd go absolutely ballistic.

 

But the other way around and you have this mood of vindication in your post that three murderers are already weaseling out of charges they clearly deserve.

[DukeNukeEm]

well why don't I enlighten you.

 

Black people are more likely to live in urban areas and they're more likely to be lower in socioeconomic status. They aren't violent, and they don't commit crimes simply because they're black - as you believe. They're statistically more violent because shockingly, the poorer people are, the more likely they are to commit crimes due to the desperation of their circumstances and poor parenting and education.

 

Here's the kicker, and you're not going to believe this I know, but poor white people commit just as many crimes as poor black people. Mind blowing.

 

Do some f***ing research before you spout off and show the world your ignorant bigotry.

The problem I have with this line of thinking is that pretty quickly it starts excusing murders, thieves and rapists both white and black. Being poor isn't an excuse to commit physical acts of violent crime just like being rich isn't an excuse to go committing fraud.

[farmteam]

Even though one of the guys who murdered him paraded around social media bragging about how he was going to kill (or had killed) some white people. If George Zimmerman had tweeted 2 days before shooting Trayvon Martin "THESE FILTHY APES MAKE ME SICK #HATEBLACKS" you'd go absolutely ballistic.

 

But the other way around and you have this mood of vindication in your post that three murderers are already weaseling out of charges they clearly deserve.

That's the problem, it wasn't just one guy involved in the shooting. It was three of them, and they were different races. That makes it harder to prove, which largely factors into whether it will get charged.

 

Not familiar at all with the case other than general media portrayals, but if they had enough on the kid who made those tweets in actually committing the shooting, then I'm not sure why at least he (as opposed to all three) wasn't charged with a hate crime.

[Jake]

By the way, the DA in the Australian murder case has declined to seek hate crime charges.

 

The reason given in his statement to the Press? Well, they couldn't prove that the killing was racially motivated. Mostly because the 3 people in custody consist of 1 African American, 1 Caucasian, and 1 half-African/half Caucasian.

 

A good friend of mine lived in Australia for a while and was shocked with the racial issues they have there. He said many folks believe they are very progressive on race issues but that's because they think of the USA's race relations in 1950s/1960s terms. He was shocked with how open many random people would be in making racist statements and the like

[Reddy]

The problem I have with this line of thinking is that pretty quickly it starts excusing murders, thieves and rapists both white and black. Being poor isn't an excuse to commit physical acts of violent crime just like being rich isn't an excuse to go committing fraud.

 

You're making things up again. I didn't excuse the violence, just gave you the reason for it. At the very least we should thus be able to agree that blacks aren't more violent than whites, rather poor people are more prone to violent crime than those who are able to make ends meet and live comfortably.

 

Agreed? If I can make you a little less racist it'll be a good day.

[Balta1701]

Even though one of the guys who murdered him paraded around social media bragging about how he was going to kill (or had killed) some white people. If George Zimmerman had tweeted 2 days before shooting Trayvon Martin "THESE FILTHY APES MAKE ME SICK #HATEBLACKS" you'd go absolutely ballistic.

 

But the other way around and you have this mood of vindication in your post that three murderers are already weaseling out of charges they clearly deserve.

Yes, remarkable isn't it, the one who tweeted that he hated white people wound up hanging around with white people.

 

I mean, isn't it obvious what happened? You can't trust white people in this country. They've even rigged the laws to let them do completely insane things like carry guns around on the street!

 

The message of this killing is obvious, you absolutely need to panic when you see a group coming towards you if there is a white person in that group.

[DukeNukeEm]

You're making things up again. I didn't excuse the violence, just gave you the reason for it. At the very least we should thus be able to agree that blacks aren't more violent than whites, rather poor people are more prone to violent crime than those who are able to make ends meet and live comfortably.

 

Agreed? If I can make you a little less racist it'll be a good day.

Wrong.

 

There are almost three times as many whites who live near or under the poverty line than blacks (29 million whites to just under 10 millions blacks). So if you think income level better explains crime levels than anything else you'd still expect whites to commit more homicides because there are more whites living in poverty. That's not the case, between 2000-10 blacks committed 18,000 more murders than whites. So I dont buy for one second the argument that poor whites are just as violent as poor blacks. Blacks are more violent than whites, its crystal clear and you'd have to be a fool to try and deny that fact. I rarely bother with statistics and I never bother with linking anything but you're just so adamantly wrong I have to bring them in here to prove it.

 

You want to know why I think this exists? I'll tell you now you cannot prove or disprove this with statistics, links or anything empirical. Its not genetic and its not some Darwinian bulls*** either.

 

Contemporary black culture f***ing sucks in this country and giving the blacks an exemption to usual rule of assimilation has led to all these problems. Black urban culture is just incompatible with Western Civilization. And its not the duty of all the Whites, Asians, Arabs, Persians, Hispanics, Blacks etc. who do assimilate into Western culture to amend the way we live to accomodate a blatantly inferior culture. Its this conflict that creates the crime disparity along racial lines.

Edited August 25, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[Reddy]

Wrong.

 

There are almost three times as many whites who live near or under the poverty line than blacks (29 million whites to just under 10 millions blacks). So if you think income level better explains crime levels than anything else you'd still expect whites to commit more homicides because there are more whites living in poverty. That's not the case, between 2000-10 blacks committed 18,000 more murders than whites. So I dont buy for one second the argument that poor whites are just as violent as poor blacks. Blacks are more violent than whites, its crystal clear and you'd have to be a fool to try and deny that fact. I rarely bother with statistics and I never bother with linking anything but you're just so adamantly wrong I have to bring them in here to prove it.

 

You want to know why I think this exists? I'll tell you now you cannot prove or disprove this with statistics, links or anything empirical. Its not genetic and its not some Darwinian bulls*** either.

 

Contemporary black culture f***ing sucks in this country and giving the blacks an exemption to usual rule of assimilation has led to all these problems. Black urban culture is just incompatible with Western Civilization. And its not the duty of all the Whites, Asians, Arabs, Persians, Hispanics, Blacks etc. who do assimilate into Western culture to amend the way we live to accomodate a blatantly inferior culture. Its this conflict that creates the crime disparity along racial lines.

 

so in your best guess, why do you think this contemporary black culture exists?

[StrangeSox]

Wrong.

 

There are almost three times as many whites who live near or under the poverty line than blacks (29 million whites to just under 10 millions blacks). So if you think income level better explains crime levels than anything else you'd still expect whites to commit more homicides because there are more whites living in poverty. That's not the case, between 2000-10 blacks committed 18,000 more murders than whites. So I dont buy for one second the argument that poor whites are just as violent as poor blacks. Blacks are more violent than whites, its crystal clear and you'd have to be a fool to try and deny that fact. I rarely bother with statistics and I never bother with linking anything but you're just so adamantly wrong I have to bring them in here to prove it.

 

You want to know why I think this exists? I'll tell you now you cannot prove or disprove this with statistics, links or anything empirical. Its not genetic and its not some Darwinian bulls*** either.

 

Contemporary black culture f***ing sucks in this country and giving the blacks an exemption to usual rule of assimilation has led to all these problems. Black urban culture is just incompatible with Western Civilization. And its not the duty of all the Whites, Asians, Arabs, Persians, Hispanics, Blacks etc. who do assimilate into Western culture to amend the way we live to accomodate a blatantly inferior culture. Its this conflict that creates the crime disparity along racial lines.

Duke "I dismiss racism" NukeEm

 

eta: as far as your stats go, it might be interesting to note this:

Another finding of the study is that the distribution of benefits no longer aligns with the demography of poverty. African-Americans, who make up 22 percent of the poor, receive 14 percent of government benefits, close to their 12 percent population share.

 

White non-Hispanics, who make up 42 percent of the poor, receive 69 percent of government benefits – again, much closer to their 64 percent population share.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/...the-safety-net/

Edited August 25, 2013 by StrangeSox

[DukeNukeEm]

so in your best guess, why do you think this contemporary black culture exists?

Nobody else wants to live anywhere near it so its allowed to incubate. You want to move to Englewood, Reddy?

 

Welfare is irrelevant StrangeSox. Were not talking about that.

Edited August 25, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[StrangeSox]

Welfare is not irrelevant. If poverty is a driving factor in violence and crime (it is), and if poverty for one group is worse than the other (it is), then it is at least an important part of understanding the issue.

[DukeNukeEm]

Welfare is not irrelevant. If poverty is a driving factor in violence and crime (it is), and if poverty for one group is worse than the other (it is), then it is at least an important part of understanding the issue.

So poor blacks deserve more welfare than poor whites? That's discriminatory, if not racist.

[StrangeSox]

So poor blacks deserve more welfare than poor whites? That's discriminatory, if not racist.

 

Try re-reading that information I quoted for you.

[DukeNukeEm]

Try re-reading that information I quoted for you.

Perhaps blacks are on average more poor than whites for the same reasons blacks are responsible for more homicides than whites. They dont deserve to be rewarded with more government money.

 

Thing is, I know you all agree with me on this you just cannot admit it because identifying the rea problem here is considered racist. How many of you live in black neighborhoods? How many of you would send your kids to a majority black school? My best guess is you'll say one thing when asked those questions and do another.

[StrangeSox]

Thing is, I know you all agree with me on this you just cannot admit it

yes, that must be it, is that what you guys all say over at stormfront?

[DukeNukeEm]

yes, that must be it, is that what you guys all say over at stormfront?

From what little I know about Stormfront is they actually think blacks are a different species that's genetically inferior to whites. I dont believe that at all, but go ahead start building the strawman now because you're having a lot of trouble actually refuting anything.

[StrangeSox]

No, you're spewing a bunch of standard racist bulls*** of the type that can frequently be found at stormfront and other explicitly racist hangouts. There's nothing to refute in your shallow, ignorant assertions. The "blacks are a bunch of violent criminals" statistical bulls*** arguments, the 'black culture' boogeyman, all of it is textbook racism.

[DukeNukeEm]

See! This is what I was referring to! Just identifying the fact that there is a problem here (and there clearly is) has been relabeled racist. Now if you start making excuses here, start hyping the multi-culti myth of cultural coexistence and how its just white privilege that created all these problems it sounds real good to people who are terrified of looking racist when they try to articulate the cause of all this.

 

Holding people accountable for anything, both individually and as a group is just not something you're willing to do unless you're self loathing whites.

Edited August 25, 2013 by DukeNukeEm

[Reddy]

See! This is what I was referring to! Just identifying the fact that there is a problem here (and there clearly is) has been relabeled racist. Now if you start making excuses here, start hyping the multi-culti myth of cultural coexistence and how its just white privilege that created all these problems it sounds real good to people who are terrified of looking racist when they try to articulate the cause of all this.

 

Holding people accountable for anything, both individually and as a group is just not something you're willing to do unless you're self loathing whites.

Duke the only thing being labeled racist is you saying that Blacks are inherently more violent than Whites. You keep standing behind that, and you somehow don't understand that it's racist.

 

you didn't answer my question, WHY does the "dangerous black culture" exist in the first place? I'm not asking why does it perpetuate, I'm asking why does it exist at all?

[Jake]

See! This is what I was referring to! Just identifying the fact that there is a problem here (and there clearly is) has been relabeled racist. Now if you start making excuses here, start hyping the multi-culti myth of cultural coexistence and how its just white privilege that created all these problems it sounds real good to people who are terrified of looking racist when they try to articulate the cause of all this.

 

Holding people accountable for anything, both individually and as a group is just not something you're willing to do unless you're self loathing whites.

 

You didn't identify a problem, you just offered an explanation (which is that black culture sucks and is not fit for Western civilization - I suppose the next step is shipping black folks to Liberia?)

 

Black folks didn't have to have anything in common, but they do because of white folks. It can't be shocking that there will be differences consistent with demographics when their parents', grandparents', etc. livelihood had been altered in a consistently negative way by white people and their government. It seems to me that Western civilization must be at fault, since it created this "problem"

[StrangeSox]

See! This is what I was referring to! Just identifying the fact that there is a problem here (and there clearly is) has been relabeled racist. Now if you start making excuses here, start hyping the multi-culti myth of cultural coexistence and how its just white privilege that created all these problems it sounds real good to people who are terrified of looking racist when they try to articulate the cause of all this.

 

Holding people accountable for anything, both individually and as a group is just not something you're willing to do unless you're self loathing whites.

 

The best part was when you laid the blame at the feet of black communities for not assimilating into mainstream white society, like you're completely oblivious to hundreds of years of forceful and violent segregation. Really good argument you've got there, no wonder us dumb libs can't refute it with anything but self-loathing white guilt!

 

[DukeNukeEm]

The best part was when you laid the blame at the feet of black communities for not assimilating into mainstream white society, like you're completely oblivious to hundreds of years of forceful and violent segregation. Really good argument you've got there, no wonder us dumb libs can't refute it with anything but self-loathing white guilt!

Explain then how immigrants who came to this country well after separate but equal was overturned have done a much better job assimilating than many blacks? Not all those immigrants are light skinned either, so you cant just say mean ole racist whitey couldn't tell the difference.

 

I went out of my way, and I think it was one of the most important parts of that post I made earlier, to include blacks on the list of people who've assimilated into this country already and shouldn't be responsible for accommodating a divergent culture.