The Republican Thread

[Texsox]

Lots of people work from 16-18. Not working at home by choice is, obviously a choice. But yes, that number shouldn't include the disabled and/or I shouldn't have used the phrase able-bodied. The vast majority of that figure are though, obviously.

 

If we are going to make any claims that it is bad that there are 90 million not in the workforce, then the assumption is everyone of those 90 million should be working. I disagree with that. I do not believe they should be in that statistic until they have completed their education. That was a 16 year old drop out is included, a 24 year old college grad student may not be. Then there are all the retireees. As people live longer the number will rise.

[Jake]

Why are we pretending that healthcare reform has anything to do with "helping people get back to work"? These are not mutually exclusive and, again, it is disingenuous for conservatives to talk about legislating for jobs. That just means tax cuts, which we know doesn't create jobs. If conservatives were willing to invest in infrastructure, research, and education, things that create jobs and public goods, we'd have no sequester and the legislation would be flying through.

 

And quit pretending that the people getting covered under the ACA somehow had it good before. They weren't getting "healthcare for free," they were getting emergency care that you were paying for. The ACA is not only trying to do one of the most basic things a government should do, it is helping those same people that are out of the workforce that you are so worried about.

[Jenksismyhero]

Why are we pretending that healthcare reform has anything to do with "helping people get back to work"? These are not mutually exclusive and, again, it is disingenuous for conservatives to talk about legislating for jobs. That just means tax cuts, which we know doesn't create jobs. If conservatives were willing to invest in infrastructure, research, and education, things that create jobs and public goods, we'd have no sequester and the legislation would be flying through.

 

And quit pretending that the people getting covered under the ACA somehow had it good before. They weren't getting "healthcare for free," they were getting emergency care that you were paying for. The ACA is not only trying to do one of the most basic things a government should do, it is helping those same people that are out of the workforce that you are so worried about.

 

It was a waste of time/resources that could have been spent focusing on job creation and fixing the economy. Healthcare wasn't at a tipping point. It wasn't an absolute necessity.

 

And you get more than emergency care on the variety of federal/state programs. People in those programs are included in the "30 million uninsured" category. It's not an awesome system to be a part of but it was/isn't some dire situation that needed to be remedied ASAP either. And you're right, I am paying for it. And I wish those people had gotten jobs so that I wouldn't have to pay for it. But i'm glad in 2013 most are still unemployed AND still receiving healthcare that i'm paying for!

Edited October 25, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[Texsox]

I've been thinking about how the GOP and the rift between "Tea Party" types and regular and wondering if it is by design. At first it seemed like a Dem technique to tag ultra conservative members as "Tea Party"and possibly paint that in a negative light, but I've seen now mainstream REPs using the label. And in turn the Tea Party types refer to those leaders as "RINO"s.

 

Could it be helpful or shooting themselves in the foot?

 

Looking ahead to the next election, it seems that it will take a moderate candidate to win. Will that be a regular conservative or RINO? But to get the nomination, the person may have to be much further right. I don't know if that is a "U" turn that is possible.

 

I may not be typical, but there are a few Reps that I may vote for before Hillary. A couple have been mentioned as possibly running, Christie for example, and Perry. My litmus test would be immigration and the ACA. So Perry may be out based on the ACA, which he opposed for Texas, not certain his position nationally.

[Balta1701]

I've been thinking about how the GOP and the rift between "Tea Party" types and regular and wondering if it is by design. At first it seemed like a Dem technique to tag ultra conservative members as "Tea Party"and possibly paint that in a negative light, but I've seen now mainstream REPs using the label. And in turn the Tea Party types refer to those leaders as "RINO"s.

 

Could it be helpful or shooting themselves in the foot?

 

Looking ahead to the next election, it seems that it will take a moderate candidate to win. Will that be a regular conservative or RINO? But to get the nomination, the person may have to be much further right. I don't know if that is a "U" turn that is possible.

 

I may not be typical, but there are a few Reps that I may vote for before Hillary. A couple have been mentioned as possibly running, Christie for example, and Perry. My litmus test would be immigration and the ACA. So Perry may be out based on the ACA, which he opposed for Texas, not certain his position nationally.

I'm only posting this since you brought him up...a couple of those Washington-Insider writers have an article in Time this week giving what they say is the Romney campaign's summary of Chris Christie and why they started looking elsewhere for a VP pick. They had some personal problems with him but they had some particular problems with several investigations in his background that had found a lot of improprieties but not enough to bring charges. Worth reading if you're interested in him as a future candidate.

[Jenksismyhero]

God damn our electorate is stupid:

 

http://gawker.com/white-republican-wins-el...s-he-1462172659

 

A white, anti-gay Republican candidate for public office stunned many in Houston last week when he defeated his African-American rival in a heavily African-American district. But none were more stunned than the voters themselves, who believed they were voting for a black man.

 

According to local CBS affiliate KHOU, Dave Wilson beat 24-year incumbent Bruce Austin in the race for a seat on the Houston Community College Board of Trustees by leading voters "to think he's black."

 

Wilson's tactics included sending out campaign material with photos of "smiling African-American faces" which he randomly found online.

 

The mailers were captioned with the words "Please vote for our friend and neighbor Dave Wilson."

 

Another piece of direct mail had the words "Endorsed by Ron Wilson" on it, which KHOU points out could be misconstrued by voters to mean that Wilson was endorsed by former state representative Ron Wilson — an African-American.

 

But in the mailer's fine print Wilson noted that "Ron Wilson" was his cousin.

 

According to Austin, Wilson made sure his own photo was not readily available to voters to as to ensure the success of his ruse.

 

Ultimately, Wilson went on to win the race by a margin of 26 votes, which KHOU says "was almost certainly influenced by his racially tinged campaign."

 

"I don't think it's good," Austin is quoted as saying. "I don't think it's good for both democracy and the whole concept of fair play. But that was not his intent, apparently."

 

Austin plans to seek a recount, which experts believe will not change the outcome of the election.

Edited November 11, 2013 by Jenksismybitch

[CrimsonWeltall]

God damn our electorate is stupid:

 

http://gawker.com/white-republican-wins-el...s-he-1462172659

 

How do we know his win has anything to do with convincing voters he was black? He was running for a seat on a community college board. Those are the elections at the end of the ballot filled with people no one knows anything about.

[Jenksismyhero]

Because so many white guys beat a black incumbent of 24 years in a predominantly black community?

[iamshack]

Wasn't this a movie a few years back?

[CrimsonWeltall]

Because so many white guys beat a black incumbent of 24 years in a predominantly black community?

 

Voters wouldn't know the race, or even the political party, of the candidates.

 

Here's what the ballot looked like:

 

District II

 

[ ] Dave Wilson

 

[ ] Bruce A. Austin

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Voters wouldn't know the race, or even the political party, of the candidates.

 

Here's what the ballot looked like:

 

District II

 

[ ] Dave Wilson

 

[ ] Bruce A. Austin

 

Right, but (1) you'd expect both candidates to be black if you were voting there (predominantly black area), (2) his ads had nothing but black families on them, (3) and he took action to keep his own face out of the press/off the internet.

 

I don't know that he was actively trying to pretend to be black, but he was certainly hiding the fact that he was white. And something about his campaign clicked with people since he beat a 24 year incumbent.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Right, but (1) you'd expect both candidates to be black if you were voting there (predominantly black area)

 

Okay, so voters may have assumed both were black. And? That says nothing about if they would have voted differently if they knew he was white.

 

, (2) his ads had nothing but black families on them, (3) and he took action to keep his own face out of the press/off the internet.

 

I don't know that he was actively trying to pretend to be black, but he was certainly hiding the fact that he was white. And something about his campaign clicked with people since he beat a 24 year incumbent.

 

Yes, it's clear that Wilson believed the voters wouldn't elect a white guy. His belief isn't validated because he won the election though. This is a non-story.

[Big Hurtin]

Wasn't this a movie a few years back?

 

This one?

 

 

[Jake]

I like how he got an endorsement from his cousin in Iowa, who anyone else would have presumed to be a prominent local ex-politician by the same name

[Jake]

I like how he got an endorsement from his cousin in Iowa, who anyone else would have presumed to be a prominent local ex-politician by the same name

[Jake]

I like how he got an endorsement from his cousin in Iowa, who anyone else would have presumed to be a prominent local ex-politician by the same name

[Balta1701]

You must really like that.

[southsider2k5]

Look who is back in the news...

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/crys...commentpostform

 

The notorious North Carolina stripper who falsely accused a group of Duke lacrosse players of raping her is headed to prison after being convicted in the 2011 stabbing death of her boyfriend.

 

Crystal Gail Mangum, 34, was sentenced to a minimum of 14 years in prison on the second-degree murder charge, crying as the jury came back Friday with a unanimous verdict after six hours of deliberations.

 

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/crys...7#ixzz2lmYJdgrn

[Jenksismyhero]

“It seems like, to me, a vagina – as a man – would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me,” Robertson stated. “I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

 

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television...-phil-robertson

 

Can't say I disagree.

[Balta1701]

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television...-phil-robertson

 

Can't say I disagree.

[Soxbadger]

And yet thousands of straight men do everything in their power to get a girl to have anal/oral sex with them. And then there are some girls who actually prefer it to regular sex.

 

Cant argue taste.

[CrimsonWeltall]

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television...-phil-robertson

 

Can't say I disagree.

 

Gotta pander to those redneck viewers who actually think their image is real.

[StrangeSox]

oh hey they're a bunch of homophobes, absolutely shocking

[Soxbadger]

Gotta pander to those redneck viewers who actually think their image is real.

 

I cant decide if they are just scam artists or if they are truly that dumb.

 

“For the sake of the Gospel, it was worth it,” Phil tells me. “All you have to do is look at any society where there is no Jesus. I’ll give you four: Nazis, no Jesus. Look at their record. Uh, Shintos? They started this thing in Pearl Harbor. Any Jesus among them? None. Communists? None. Islamists? Zero. That’s eighty years of ideologies that have popped up where no Jesus was allowed among those four groups. Just look at the records as far as murder goes among those four groups.”

 

Its just sad if someone actually believes this.

[Jenksismyhero]

Gotta pander to those redneck viewers who actually think their image is real.

 

I think every person who has ever interviewed them has basically concluded that they're 100% real. They're smart business people and so they definitely project an image, but I think their beliefs are absolutely genuine.