The Republican Thread

[StrangeSox]

I haven't but I'm aware of the quote.

[farmteam]

Tropic Thunder is a pretty funny movie. Didn't expect it to be nearly as good as it is.

 

More than anything this feels like an attempt by Cruz to make himself relevant again.

[StrangeSox]

It's been on my list of "I've been meaning to see that movie" for a while.

[cabiness42]

http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-ne...nternet-2014-11

 

Ted Cruz just went full retard.

 

Yeah, he put me out of work for 3 weeks a year ago so this doesn't top that.

[EvilMonkey]

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It's a reference to a movie, keep it within the context in which it was clearly meant.

 

The point is/was, you don't go full retard, and Ted Cruz just did.

 

This politically correct s*** is absurd at this point in which you can't even reference a f***ing mainstream Hollywood movie anymore.

 

Can't say 'crazy' either, that is an ableist slur.

[Cknolls]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house...f-lies-20141112

 

 

From the most transparent pile of s*** to ever inhabit the peoples house.

[Jenksismyhero]

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/11/23/steph...orcing-tax-laws

 

Good point, George!

[StrangeSox]

Judy Baar Topinka passed away at the age of 70

[southsider2k5]

So back to the freedom of speech vs your job discussion, should South Bend be able to force the officer to stop selling the “Breathe easy, don’t break the law” shirts he created?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/17/india...he-easy-shirts/

[StrangeSox]

Good taste and basic human decency should stop him.

 

The implied threat by a police officer seems like it could interfere directly with his duties, though.

[southsider2k5]

Good taste and basic human decency should stop him.

 

The implied threat by a police officer seems like it could interfere directly with his duties, though.

 

Except the opposite are protected by freedom of speech, which is the issue.

[StrangeSox]

That first line wasn't about the legal aspect, but I think the idea that wearing and promoting a shirt like this directly harms police-community relations both for this officer as an individual and for the department as a whole is a legitimate concern. The shirt does have a police "badge" on it, so you could argue that he's using or attempting to use his status as a police officer to promote the product and the message.

[southsider2k5]

That first line wasn't about the legal aspect, but I think the idea that wearing and promoting a shirt like this directly harms police-community relations both for this officer as an individual and for the department as a whole is a legitimate concern. The shirt does have a police "badge" on it, so you could argue that he's using or attempting to use his status as a police officer to promote the product and the message.

 

I honestly don't see it as any different than having a legitimate concern about what a teacher believes outside of the job, affecting what they do on the job. Until something actually happens, it is separate. It would be just as easy to say that having a teacher who does [blank] has the ability use their state as a teacher to promote the product/idea and the message.

[Jake]

The problem with the shirt is the extent to which it reads a lot like a death threat to all those who break the law

[StrangeSox]

I honestly don't see it as any different than having a legitimate concern about what a teacher believes outside of the job, affecting what they do on the job. Until something actually happens, it is separate. It would be just as easy to say that having a teacher who does [blank] has the ability use their state as a teacher to promote the product/idea and the message.

Selling shirts that promote or help to legitimize police violence up to and including being choked to death against department policy in response to disobeying even the slightest command is going to directly affect how that officer is received in the communities he serves.

 

A teacher's political advocacy outside of the classroom doesn't really compare to that.

[StrangeSox]

The problem with the shirt is the extent to which it reads a lot like a death threat to all those who break the law

That's a clearer way of putting it.

[southsider2k5]

Selling shirts that promote or help to legitimize police violence up to and including being choked to death against department policy in response to disobeying even the slightest command is going to directly affect how that officer is received in the communities he serves.

 

A teacher's political advocacy outside of the classroom doesn't really compare to that.

 

But a teachers personal belief doesn't affect how they are received in the classroom? That is crap.

[StrangeSox]

But a teachers personal belief doesn't affect how they are received in the classroom? That is crap.

If the teacher can be shown to treat students unfairly based on their race, religion, creed, beliefs, whatever, then they're fair game for discipline.

 

It's different when a police officer can be seen as justifying deadly force against anyone who dares disobey.

[southsider2k5]

If the teacher can be shown to treat students unfairly based on their race, religion, creed, beliefs, whatever, then they're fair game for discipline.

 

It's different when a police officer can be seen as justifying deadly force against anyone who dares disobey.

 

Not if they don't actually use deadly force.

[StrangeSox]

Not if they don't actually use deadly force.

It's an implied threat. If teachers are implicitly or explicitly threatening children, they should face consequences as well. Outside political activism doesn't do that.

 

edit: this conversation isn't going to go anywhere else if you can't see why police-community relations would be seriously harmed by officers issuing the implied threat that this shirt does

Edited December 17, 2014 by StrangeSox

[southsider2k5]

Not if they don't actually use deadly force.

 

Besides, this isn't even an actual threat. It is a stretch to say that it is. I guess I think more of freedom of speech.

 

There is a big difference to saying

 

"I am going to kill you if you X"

 

and what this shirt has on it.

[southsider2k5]

It's an implied threat. If teachers are implicitly or explicitly threatening children, they should face consequences as well. Outside political activism doesn't do that.

 

edit: this conversation isn't going to go anywhere else if you can't see why police-community relations would be seriously harmed by officers issuing the implied threat that this shirt does

 

So if a teacher tells students that billions of people will die if climate change isn't addressed, are they threatening students? Because that is very similar to what is being said on the T-shirt. There is no claim that this officer will do it. None at all.

[StrangeSox]

Besides, this isn't even an actual threat. It is a stretch to say that it is. I guess I think more of freedom of speech.

 

There is a big difference to saying

 

"I am going to kill you if you X"

 

and what this shirt has on it.

 

Eric Garner was murdered by a police officer. "I can't breath" were his last words. In response, people across the country have been using "I can't breath" as a motto against police brutality.

 

When another police officer responds with "Breath Easy, Obey the Law" in this context, it's clearly an implied threat or at least approval of the excessive force that caused Garner's death.

[Jenksismyhero]

If the teacher can be shown to treat students unfairly based on their race, religion, creed, beliefs, whatever, then they're fair game for discipline.

 

It's different when a police officer can be seen as justifying deadly force against anyone who dares disobey.

 

1) What an overreaction. A threat? Really? It's a response to a movement, at best. It's not advocating police on citizen violence.

 

2) Why does it matter if its about unfair treatment based on a specific factor? You're saying a cop selling a tshirt is going to ruin relations between cops and citizens. A teacher posing topless or a teacher advocating some cause in his/her private time will have an effect on teacher-student relations. Why isn't that a similar concern that requires action, or at minimum, some kind of discussion about whether it should be allowed?

 

Seems to me this is another example of you being a champion of rights up to the point where you don't agree with the speech.

[southsider2k5]

Eric Garner was murdered by a police officer. "I can't breath" were his last words. In response, people across the country have been using "I can't breath" as a motto against police brutality.

 

When another police officer responds with "Breath Easy, Obey the Law" in this context, it's clearly an implied threat or at least approval of the excessive force that caused Garner's death.

 

That is an incredibly low standard for the first amendment. If taking words from other instances to turn them into perceived threats, you have basically opened up the legitimacy of turning anything into a reason to take away freedom's of speech.