The Republican Thread

[Jenksismyhero]

Doesn't come across as very charismatic to me...his wife was livelier in the interview I watched with the entire family together.

 

That whole $71,000 in debt issue doesn't strike me as an astute financial manager.

 

Rich = greedy asshole!

Poor = s***ty with money!

 

Can't win with you guys.

[Balta1701]

Well, he doesn't have a university degree, right? When's the last time we elected a president without that minimum level of education?

Again, I don't care about this. Others here might tell you I'm not exactly very likely to vote for Scott Walker, but there's no education requirement for the Presidency.

[Jenksismyhero]

Well, he doesn't have a university degree, right? When's the last time we elected a president without that minimum level of education?

 

Why are you so discriminatory? Too poor and un(highly)educated = terrible candidate?

[Big Hurtin]

Does the herd get thinned after tomorrow's debate, or is it too early regardless?

[NorthSideSox72]

Rich = greedy asshole!

Poor = s***ty with money!

 

Can't win with you guys.

Just to be clear, when I said those net worths seemed low to me, I didn't mean I thought candidates needed to be higher. I meant I had a hard time believing they were actually that low. I don't care how much money they have, as long as they haven't been bankrupt or something.

 

[caulfield12]

Just to be clear, when I said those net worths seemed low to me, I didn't mean I thought candidates needed to be higher. I meant I had a hard time believing they were actually that low. I don't care how much money they have, as long as they haven't been bankrupt or something.

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...ou-in-debt.html

 

The anti-Romney approach.

[EvilMonkey]

Don't we have enough 'real' victims? Why do Democrats have to keep making s*** up? Must be craving that coveted victim status.

 

http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/08/04/...-stop/31143361/

[Jenksismyhero]

Don't we have enough 'real' victims? Why do Democrats have to keep making s*** up? Must be craving that coveted victim status.

 

http://www.khou.com/story/news/2015/08/04/...-stop/31143361/

 

Never pass up an opportunity to pile on is playbook 101 for a politician.

[Jake]

The reason I take interest in some of these guys being bad with their personal finances is because they are the same people who pretend that managing a state/federal budget is exactly like a household one, which is of course used as justification for never accepting a budget deficit. I have no philosophical problem with a presidential candidate having some level of debt, but I do notice and care about doublespeak.

[greg775]

OK I took a long walk tonight and listened to the recent Anderson Cooper interview of my man, Trump. Cooper did a nice professional job. I like him.

Anyway ... Trump was specific on all issues. He reiterated he did not hate all Mexicans. He acknowledged many work for him. In fact some illegally. He said if he could find the illegals he'd fire them. Yes kind of a cop out, but anyway, he did say he loves Mexicans who rent his properties, etc. He also said he'd build an impenetrable wall that Mexico would pay for, not the USA.

 

Anyhow, the panelists who commented on the interview blasted Trump as being a wacko for wanting to bomb oil fields in retaliation for ISIS, etc. But Cooper did to his credit make a good point in comparing the entertaining/willing to answer all questions Donald Trump to the reveal-nothing, meanish (Bob Dole-like) Hillary.

 

As I suggested she do earlier, Hilly indeed is running on being a woman and her name and being a Democrat.

She will not comment specifically on any of her policies except say stuff like "we will not go backward" on women's rights, etc. Anderson Cooper pointed out she won't say ANYTHING. She is so boring even the liberal panelists admitted she should never be interviewed. The interviews are too boring and awkward. Hilly recently would not comment when asked which actress she liked the best portraying her on SNL, etc.

 

OK, look. Hilly knows because of demographics of our country now and voting patters in all states (electoral college) that she wins the election as long as she does nothing completely stupid -- completely and utterly idiotic. She will make very few appearances, will reluctantly debate the Republican maybe once and that will be that. She wins. I think it's very sad but it's an effective strategy by Hilly. Reveal NOTHING and win because she is a Demo and she is a Clinton. I think she will be a disaster. You think Obama has trouble with the Senate and House. If it remains a Republican majority, she will be fought tooth and nail for 8 years in a vicious manner by the Repubs, cause she is too old to change her ways and work (compromise) with her enemies. Look folks, the SNL depiction of her is MEAN, ANGRY and that doesn't fly with the people who will have to work with her. yet we will elect her. It's Hilly in a landslide!

Comments?

 

ps I put this in Republican cause it started with me listening to Trump, whom I still like.

Edited August 7, 2015 by greg775

[NorthSideSox72]

OK I took a long walk tonight and listened to the recent Anderson Cooper interview of my man, Trump. Cooper did a nice professional job. I like him.

Anyway ... Trump was specific on all issues. He reiterated he did not hate all Mexicans. He acknowledged many work for him. In fact some illegally. He said if he could find the illegals he'd fire them. Yes kind of a cop out, but anyway, he did say he loves Mexicans who rent his properties, etc. He also said he'd build an impenetrable wall that Mexico would pay for, not the USA.

 

ps I put this in Republican cause it started with me listening to Trump, whom I still like.

And you believe the bolded?

 

[cabiness42]

Couldn't stomach watching the entire debate last night but watched some clips this morning and Kasich's answers on Medicaid and gay marriage show that he isn't afraid to challenge the hardcore right-wing of the party. He's far and away my first choice from either party right now, but I believe that if he gains much momentum at all, the Koch machine will take him down well before he can get near the nomination.

[caulfield12]

The only ones who looked presidential to me were Kasich and Rubio.

 

Kasich hopefully doesn't end up like Huntsman...wiped out for being too reasonable/moderate and actually having command of policy issues and speaking articulately and authetically.

 

Walker just seems to be lacking in gravitas...he was very evasive about foreign policy and the BlackLivesMatter/racial bias in policing issue. As noted, Wisconsin doesn't exactly have an economic miracle story to back him up. Austerity policies tend to have that effect.

 

Carson was non-existent the first half, not even sure why he's running for office besides cracking one liners.

 

Besides Kasich and Rubio, Bush is the only one with half a clue about actually governing/policy.

 

Huckabee (religious right), Cruz (his usual spiel) and Paul did nothing to expand their constituencies, serving up a tired set of bromides but not suggesting any real solutions to actual problems everyday Americans are facing.

 

Kasich with Rubio as VP would be a difficult ticket for the Dems to beat. Ohio would be lost, and Florida as well.

Edited August 7, 2015 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Couldn't stomach watching the entire debate last night but watched some clips this morning and Kasich's answers on Medicaid and gay marriage show that he isn't afraid to challenge the hardcore right-wing of the party. He's far and away my first choice from either party right now, but I believe that if he gains much momentum at all, the Koch machine will take him down well before he can get near the nomination.

 

The Koches should turn to Rubio.

 

He has youth (contrast with Hillary is like Obama vs. McCain/Romney), more experience than Obama now...Florida is put into play, he will draw at least 50% more Hispanic votes than the last two elections.

 

The immigration issues, and his real beliefs (Tea Party or more moderate, such as abortion rights) must be overcome. Of all the candidates, he and probably Kasich and then Bush (who's already raised $120 million) come across as the most likeable.

 

It's a quality Hillary lacks, but her husband and Jeb's brother possess, that touch with everyday people.

 

Rubio was relaxed and confident, that's important.

[Chisoxfn]

Couldn't stomach watching the entire debate last night but watched some clips this morning and Kasich's answers on Medicaid and gay marriage show that he isn't afraid to challenge the hardcore right-wing of the party. He's far and away my first choice from either party right now, but I believe that if he gains much momentum at all, the Koch machine will take him down well before he can get near the nomination.

He stood out to me in the main show, just as Trump stood out for being a complete idiot. The one thing I will give Trump credit for is his involvement in this and early popularity shows you just how fed up America is with the same ole same old. They want real changes and they are just sick and tired with the entire environment. Kasich's track record is not only impressive but his charisma on stage is noticeable and the answers he gave on medicaid and gay marriage had me doing a mental clap in my head. Even my wife, who likes Hillary, was like, hold on, who is this guy, I like what he's saying.

 

I still like Jeb a lot and he clearly took the, don't be the aggressor, let Trump light himself on fire and then once you get the spotlight, start to push the momentum. He did nothing to stand out, but I don't think that was his strategy and he really didn't have to. Walker might have taken the same approach. Will be interesting to see Carly as she moves up based upon her performance. No way she isn't on the main stage in the next debate.

 

PS: I liked Christie's response on retirement. As a whole, this was the most entertaining debate I've ever watched in my entire life. It was also a debate which brought real questions to the table and they were at times, extremely difficult questions for candidates to answer. I wish more debates would roll this way as it was far more informative (other then I hope we don't have that many people in the next debate). Honestly, I was glued to my seat.

[Chisoxfn]

I think Rubio has VP written all over him in this cycle and he'd be a fantastic pair with either Jeb or Kasich.

[Chisoxfn]

Honestly..for those who watched, was that not the most entertaining debate you've ever seen? Have you ever seen tougher questions thrown up, including the follow-up's such as, Mr. Trump, you never did answer the question, so I'll give you another 30 seconds for you to tell us what evidence you have that the mexican government is sending its most dangerous criminals and drug dealers to the US? Trumps follow-up was just an epitome of his buffoonish ways.

[caulfield12]

It was a little better than average.

 

If you took Christie and Trump out, nothing really stood out...

 

Too many candidates, not enough time for each.

 

For example, 1992 was really compelling because you had Clinton, Perot (who was leading at one point and seemed plausible) and Bush, Sr. Another great one was Lloyd Bentsen lecturing Dan Quayle that "he was no Jack Kennedy."

 

Obama debated too intellectually, like a law school professor he was, instead of connecting to people like Clinton could always do.

 

If you go back and watch the JFK/Nixon debates in the 1960 election, you'll be amazed how little substance there is now in comparison.

 

As a Democrat, having Gephardt, Gore, Dukakis, Gary Hart, Paul Simon, Biden, Jesse Jackson in 1988....that was a lot of political talent in one room.

[NorthSideSox72]

Honestly..for those who watched, was that not the most entertaining debate you've ever seen? Have you ever seen tougher questions thrown up, including the follow-up's such as, Mr. Trump, you never did answer the question, so I'll give you another 30 seconds for you to tell us what evidence you have that the mexican government is sending its most dangerous criminals and drug dealers to the US? Trumps follow-up was just an epitome of his buffoonish ways.

I recorded it, still need to watch it.

 

[southsider2k5]

24 million people watched this debate (I was not one of them). This is more people then has ever watched a primary debate before.

 

What should we take from that?

[Jenksismyhero]

24 million people watched this debate (I was not one of them). This is more people then has ever watched a primary debate before.

 

What should we take from that?

 

People like a circus show.

 

I actually would like to applaud Fox News, btw, and others should too. That was not a bunch of soft ball questions. They were hard on the candidates they were talking to. Trump especially. Questions about gay marriage, expansion of Medicare/Medicaid, Black Lives Matter, etc. and the answers were, from Kasich anyway, not extreme but quite moderate. And I liked how they backed off from the last decade and added "you know, like Reagan did" to appease the crazies.

 

I only watched bits and pieces and read more stuff today, but it seems like Kasich killed it, Trump was entertaining but terrible, Paul warned about Iran, Christie invoked 9/11 to score points, Bush seemed the most polished and everyone else was forgettable.

Edited August 7, 2015 by Jenksismybitch

[greg775]

He stood out to me in the main show, just as Trump stood out for being a complete idiot. The one thing I will give Trump credit for is his involvement in this and early popularity shows you just how fed up America is with the same ole same old. They want real changes and they are just sick and tired with the entire environment.

Excellent point, except ... Americans allegedly are fed up with the same ol same ol and politics in general and that's why Trump has struck a chord. ... However, in the same inexplicable, totally American light, Hillary is a lock to win the election. And she is a perfect example of what so many Americans hate about "the entire political environment." So we hate it ... but we elect Hilly in a landslide. A totally American non-sequitir.

 

 

24 million people watched this debate (I was not one of them). This is more people then has ever watched a primary debate before.

 

What should we take from that?

TRUMP. Expecting a freak show from TRUMP. ...

Edited August 7, 2015 by greg775

[greg775]

People like a circus show.

 

I actually would like to applaud Fox News, btw, and others should too. That was not a bunch of soft ball questions. They were hard on the candidates they were talking to. Trump especially..

 

Chris Wallace is a cartoon character. Meghan was unfair to Trump.

[StrangeSox]

People like a circus show.

 

I actually would like to applaud Fox News, btw, and others should too. That was not a bunch of soft ball questions. They were hard on the candidates they were talking to. Trump especially. Questions about gay marriage, expansion of Medicare/Medicaid, Black Lives Matter, etc. and the answers were, from Kasich anyway, not extreme but quite moderate. And I liked how they backed off from the last decade and added "you know, like Reagan did" to appease the crazies.

 

I only watched bits and pieces and read more stuff today, but it seems like Kasich killed it, Trump was entertaining but terrible, Paul warned about Iran, Christie invoked 9/11 to score points, Bush seemed the most polished and everyone else was forgettable.

 

which, as it turns out, he wasn't actually nominated and made a US attorney until December 2001.

 

I've also heard some complaining that Fox asked good, substantive questions of most of the candidates but that they lobbed softball after softball to Rubio. The claim is that they were trying to help salvage his floundering campaign, versus almost openly attacking Trump.

[NorthSideSox72]

Chris Wallace is a cartoon character. Meghan was unfair to Trump.

 

 

which, as it turns out, he wasn't actually nominated and made a US attorney until December 2001.

 

I've also heard some complaining that Fox asked good, substantive questions of most of the candidates but that they lobbed softball after softball to Rubio. The claim is that they were trying to help salvage his floundering campaign, versus almost openly attacking Trump.

 

Honestly, when a person is running for President of the United States that is clearly a clown unable to lead, moderators should be forcing that clown to prove they are more than that.