The Republican Thread

[greg775]

Losers of the debate tonight? The media. Why are the hosts so rude and so blatant in their attempt to get the candidates to blast each other?

s***, they should have just said: "Mr Trump, what do you hate the most about Mr. Carson?"

Or "Mr. Carson, what do you hate the most about Jeb Bush and the Bush family in general? They were so obvious in their disdain for the Republicans and wanting the Republicans to self destruct. In contrast, they treat Hillary at the debates as if she indeed is the most respected person in American history. I DO NOT GET IT. The Democratic candidates aren't paying these media members; why the hell are they so one sided? It's not like Hillary Clinton gives a f*** about the media and yet they worship her and try to make tonight's debate a ridiculous catfight/dogfight between the evil, unqualified Republicans!

Edited October 29, 2015 by greg775

[NorthSideSox72]

Losers of the debate tonight? The media. Why are the hosts so rude and so blatant in their attempt to get the candidates to blast each other?

s***, they should have just said: "Mr Trump, what do you hate the most about Mr. Carson?"

Or "Mr. Carson, what do you hate the most about Jeb Bush and the Bush family in general? They were so obvious in their disdain for the Republicans and wanting the Republicans to self destruct. In contrast, they treat Hillary at the debates as if she indeed is the most respected person in American history. I DO NOT GET IT. The Democratic candidates aren't paying these media members; why the hell are they so one sided? It's not like Hillary Clinton gives a f*** about the media and yet they worship her and try to make tonight's debate a ridiculous catfight/dogfight between the evil, unqualified Republicans!

I only got to watch the first half, will watch the second half tonight. I only saw two questions that involved asking one candidate about another - seems like a reasonable level to me. What they did do - which is good and bad - is they called out candidates on some problems in their policy positions, statements or history. Well guess what? They should do that. Now a couple of them were over the top, granted.

 

But this is where the GOP shows badly, for the most part. They come off as whiners. Cruz gets asked a question right in his wheelhouse, elects instead to go on a temper tantrum, then is shocked when he doesn't get to answer the question because he ran out of time. Dude is a jackass.

 

Also, media bias exists - but this isn't the way to illustrate it. There have been three debates, and the "soft" one far and away was CNN (who lean left a bit, though not quite to MSNBC levels). FOX (who are of course heavily right-leaning) and CNBC (who are business-focused) were the "tough" ones. Their argument is without merit, in this case.

 

In the credit where credit is due department - Jeb Bush, Donald Trump and sort of Ben Carson each at least partially answered the opening question. The other 7 didn't even bother to try.

 

[LDF]

I only got to watch the first half, will watch the second half tonight. I only saw two questions that involved asking one candidate about another - seems like a reasonable level to me. What they did do - which is good and bad - is they called out candidates on some problems in their policy positions, statements or history. Well guess what? They should do that. Now a couple of them were over the top, granted.

 

But this is where the GOP shows badly, for the most part. They come off as whiners. Cruz gets asked a question right in his wheelhouse, elects instead to go on a temper tantrum, then is shocked when he doesn't get to answer the question because he ran out of time. Dude is a jackass.

 

Also, media bias exists - but this isn't the way to illustrate it. There have been three debates, and the "soft" one far and away was CNN (who lean left a bit, though not quite to MSNBC levels). FOX (who are of course heavily right-leaning) and CNBC (who are business-focused) were the "tough" ones. Their argument is without merit, in this case.

 

In the credit where credit is due department - Jeb Bush, Donald Trump and sort of Ben Carson each at least partially answered the opening question. The other 7 didn't even bother to try.

 

you made a great point.

 

now i want to add with my thoughts, these debates are useless. yeah i mean really useless. it gives the other candidates time to come up with a an answer but using other comments.

 

i want these candidates to be cross examine. hard questions and not letting them off the hook. these candidates will be running the country and i am tired of these cookie cutters types of personalities.

 

they should also be in a sound proof box and only hear their question and answer.

 

this if for both parties.

 

i really want a leader who can fix what the US have and i want to know how they will do it.

Edited October 29, 2015 by LDF

[Jenksismyhero]

They asked a question about fantasy football? WTF?

[RockRaines]

once they scheduled a republican debate in Boulder, Co I knew that whole thing was a joke, and it was.

[StrangeSox]

Gotta agree with LDF, debates really are just theater.

[caulfield12]

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/missing-from...-113304645.html

 

Why are the Republican candidates even running?

 

What are they proposing that's new or different? Why can't Kasich have a campaign about jobs growth like in Ohio?

 

Maybe Rubio doesn't want to go with the "Rich are getting a 28.7% break with my plan vs. 15% for the average member of the middle class" slogan.

 

At least Trump has one that's solid and memorable, albeit completely unrealistic in terms of his proposals colliding on the same theoretical plane of reality.

 

Bush...4% growth is way better than 2-3%!!!

 

This goes back to Greg's point. Why is Hillary running? To carry out the Obama and Bill Clinton legacy of moderate triangulating liberalism that protects the middle class.

 

But she has much more of an issue explaining what she actually wants to change about the system than Bernie Sanders, for example. Part of the problem is you can't tack too hard against your own party's president and two terms worth of policies (although Gore ran away from Clinton because of scandal and not wanting to be elected on his coattails in essence).

 

Why is Fiorina running? To be the anti-Hillary choice and pretend her legacy is job growth and not job cuts.

 

 

 

At any rate, this was the death knell of the Bush Era in Republican politics, not unlike 1980 for the Kennedys. He's done. Rubio is the closest to a legitimate threat to win and presents the perfect opposition...young, bright, handsome, charismatic and Hispanic.

 

That's why the Clintons will also likely go to one of the brothers from San Antonio for VP...despite no way of winning Texas in the general election.

Edited October 29, 2015 by caulfield12

[cabiness42]

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/missing-from...-113304645.html

 

Why are the Republican candidates even running?

 

What are they proposing that's new or different? Why can't Kasich have a campaign about jobs growth like in Ohio?

 

Maybe Rubio doesn't want to go with the "Rich are getting a 28.7% break with my plan vs. 15% for the average member of the middle class" slogan. At least Trump has one that's solid and memorable, albeit completely unrealistic in terms of his proposals colliding on the same theoretical plane of reality.

 

Because that's boring and doesn't attract voters.

[southsider2k5]

Gotta agree with LDF, debates really are just theater.

 

Mostly because people want theater anymore. No one wants intelligent discussion, and respectful debate. By and large the general public consumes news somewhere between a meme and tweet of length.

[caulfield12]

Because that's boring and doesn't attract voters.

 

 

It worked on House of Cards, haha.

 

And wasn't the Ohio plan more private driven, but essentially a partnership or cooperation with the government?

 

Not too familiar with what's going on there.

[LDF]

Mostly because people want theater anymore. No one wants intelligent discussion, and respectful debate. By and large the general public consumes news somewhere between a meme and tweet of length.

 

and you make a good point on peoples POV.

 

we are going to elect a leader for this country..... people should demand more from their leaders.

[caulfield12]

and you make a good point on peoples POV.

 

we are going to elect a leader for this country..... people should demand more from their leaders.

 

 

And the media as well as the Presidential Debates Commission...

[NorthSideSox72]

Gotta agree with LDF, debates really are just theater.

Eh, I'll actually disagree, to a point. There is theater involved of course. But my personal view is that the debates are much less theater than almost everything else that goes on during campaigns. Why? Because, whether questions are good or bad, it allows us to see the candidates think on their feet. Sure some of what the say is pre-prepped - but some isn't, where as stump speeches and the like are 100% pre-cooked.

 

I like the debates. Not everything about them, but more so than almost any other aspect of their campaigns. The only exception, I think, is written policy statements from the candidates - those are my fave. Debates are a close second.

 

[LDF]

Eh, I'll actually disagree, to a point. There is theater involved of course. But my personal view is that the debates are much less theater than almost everything else that goes on during campaigns. Why? Because, whether questions are good or bad, it allows us to see the candidates think on their feet. Sure some of what the say is pre-prepped - but some isn't, where as stump speeches and the like are 100% pre-cooked.

 

I like the debates. Not everything about them, but more so than almost any other aspect of their campaigns. The only exception, I think, is written policy statements from the candidates - those are my fave. Debates are a close second.

 

and that is the beauty of this forum to agree to disagree and with a reason.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

I only got to watch the first half, will watch the second half tonight. I only saw two questions that involved asking one candidate about another - seems like a reasonable level to me. What they did do - which is good and bad - is they called out candidates on some problems in their policy positions, statements or history. Well guess what? They should do that. Now a couple of them were over the top, granted.

 

But this is where the GOP shows badly, for the most part. They come off as whiners. Cruz gets asked a question right in his wheelhouse, elects instead to go on a temper tantrum, then is shocked when he doesn't get to answer the question because he ran out of time. Dude is a jackass.

 

Also, media bias exists - but this isn't the way to illustrate it. There have been three debates, and the "soft" one far and away was CNN (who lean left a bit, though not quite to MSNBC levels). FOX (who are of course heavily right-leaning) and CNBC (who are business-focused) were the "tough" ones. Their argument is without merit, in this case.

 

In the credit where credit is due department - Jeb Bush, Donald Trump and sort of Ben Carson each at least partially answered the opening question. The other 7 didn't even bother to try.

I thought Fox did the best, CNN they were a bit of pushovers but fair, but these guys were the pits. I thought their were a lot of bad questions that I had no interest in. The fantasy football question to Bush was just horrid and to be frank, their were a couple times where I felt that it was the moderators who were flat out lying (vs. the candidates). Republican's need to get some of these guys out of the race. Carson had an interesting strategy...just stay a fly on the wall...yeah you won't take a step forward but I think he knows this is not an arena he shines.

 

Carly and Rubio continue to dominant the debate format and it looks more an more evident to me that eventually, when the dust unfolds, Rubio is going to be the next candidate and he is one of the guys on that stage I'd vote for. I'd vote for him, Jeb or Kasich and to be frank I have no issues with Christie or Carly either. I actually think Carly would be the best but I don't think she can stand up and beat out the smear campaign they'll push on her (including her own audio bytes from the layoffs / outsourcing). To be frank, those sound clips don't bother me, I understand the realities of business, but it just isn't a rhetoric that a huge voting base will get their arms around.

 

I'd love to see Carly blow Clinton out of the water, it would just be amazing TV.

 

Rubio will have to take a closer look at his tax plan though, zero capital gains taxes are going to be a tough selling point given who directly benefits (you can argue indirect benefits of it...but the direct benefits are the wealthiest people in this country).

[NorthSideSox72]

I thought Fox did the best, CNN they were a bit of pushovers but fair, but these guys were the pits. I thought their were a lot of bad questions that I had no interest in. The fantasy football question to Bush was just horrid and to be frank, their were a couple times where I felt that it was the moderators who were flat out lying (vs. the candidates). Republican's need to get some of these guys out of the race. Carson had an interesting strategy...just stay a fly on the wall...yeah you won't take a step forward but I think he knows this is not an arena he shines.

 

Carly and Rubio continue to dominant the debate format and it looks more an more evident to me that eventually, when the dust unfolds, Rubio is going to be the next candidate and he is one of the guys on that stage I'd vote for. I'd vote for him, Jeb or Kasich and to be frank I have no issues with Christie or Carly either. I actually think Carly would be the best but I don't think she can stand up and beat out the smear campaign they'll push on her (including her own audio bytes from the layoffs / outsourcing). To be frank, those sound clips don't bother me, I understand the realities of business, but it just isn't a rhetoric that a huge voting base will get their arms around.

 

I'd love to see Carly blow Clinton out of the water, it would just be amazing TV.

 

Rubio will have to take a closer look at his tax plan though, zero capital gains taxes are going to be a tough selling point given who directly benefits (you can argue indirect benefits of it...but the direct benefits are the wealthiest people in this country).

I agree on Fox doing the best debate so far, no question. I only watched the first half, so I didn't catch the fantasy football question - that's pretty stupid.

 

[illinilaw08]

I agree on Fox doing the best debate so far, no question. I only watched the first half, so I didn't catch the fantasy football question - that's pretty stupid.

 

Regulation of daily fantasy sports sites is an issue in Washington at the moment. So that's certainly a relevant question (though there are certainly more important policy issues that should be discussed). In fact, given Christie's attempts to legalize sports gambling in New Jersey, it's arguably quite relevant to Christie in particular.

 

The fact that Jeb Bush took the question as an opportunity to gloat about his non-daily fantasy team being 7-0 made the question seem stupid.

[NorthSideSox72]

Regulation of daily fantasy sports sites is an issue in Washington at the moment. So that's certainly a relevant question (though there are certainly more important policy issues that should be discussed). In fact, given Christie's attempts to legalize sports gambling in New Jersey, it's arguably quite relevant to Christie in particular.

 

The fact that Jeb Bush took the question as an opportunity to gloat about his non-daily fantasy team being 7-0 made the question seem stupid.

Oh so the question was about the legal issues? Fair enough, that makes sense. I haven't seen that one yet.

 

[illinilaw08]

I thought Fox did the best, CNN they were a bit of pushovers but fair, but these guys were the pits. I thought their were a lot of bad questions that I had no interest in. The fantasy football question to Bush was just horrid and to be frank, their were a couple times where I felt that it was the moderators who were flat out lying (vs. the candidates). Republican's need to get some of these guys out of the race. Carson had an interesting strategy...just stay a fly on the wall...yeah you won't take a step forward but I think he knows this is not an arena he shines.

 

Carly and Rubio continue to dominant the debate format and it looks more an more evident to me that eventually, when the dust unfolds, Rubio is going to be the next candidate and he is one of the guys on that stage I'd vote for. I'd vote for him, Jeb or Kasich and to be frank I have no issues with Christie or Carly either. I actually think Carly would be the best but I don't think she can stand up and beat out the smear campaign they'll push on her (including her own audio bytes from the layoffs / outsourcing). To be frank, those sound clips don't bother me, I understand the realities of business, but it just isn't a rhetoric that a huge voting base will get their arms around.

 

I'd love to see Carly blow Clinton out of the water, it would just be amazing TV.

 

Rubio will have to take a closer look at his tax plan though, zero capital gains taxes are going to be a tough selling point given who directly benefits (you can argue indirect benefits of it...but the direct benefits are the wealthiest people in this country).

 

When did you think the moderators were flat out lying? I saw the critique of the tax question to Rubio (a bad question, granted). Whether the moderator was lying regarding that question comes down to interpretation though. The Conservative tax foundation gave the largest benefits under Rubio's plan to the bottom 10%, but the top 1% see the second largest benefit under the Plan. The question was bad, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure it was a lie. A graph of benefits by income level is in the link below.

 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/10/29...onds-with-this/

 

Ultimately, though, I agree with you. Lots of bad questions. The opening question in particular was absolutely awful (what's your biggest weakness?).

 

On Rubio, I tend to agree. I'd also like to hear how he plans to make up the $6T in revenue the cuts produce. For a debate that was supposed to focus on the economy, I'd have liked to actually heard the candidates discuss, I don't know, economic policy?

[Kyyle23]

Oh so the question was about the legal issues? Fair enough, that makes sense. I haven't seen that one yet.

 

Jeb turned it into a joke about his fantasy team and then Christie jumped in and blasted the question. Because of course Christie did, he doesnt want to address that gambling matter

[illinilaw08]

Oh so the question was about the legal issues? Fair enough, that makes sense. I haven't seen that one yet.

 

http://deadspin.com/chris-christie-flips-o...anta-1739388837

 

Deadspin has the video in the above link.

[NorthSideSox72]

http://deadspin.com/chris-christie-flips-o...anta-1739388837

 

Deadspin has the video in the above link.

Thanks - I've got the debate recorded, watched the first half last night, plan to watch the rest sometime soon.

 

[LDF]

Jeb turned it into a joke about his fantasy team and then Christie jumped in and blasted the question. Because of course Christie did, he doesnt want to address that gambling matter

 

or maybe he just thought it was a stupid question for a presidential forum.

 

[Kyyle23]

or maybe he just thought it was a stupid question for a presidential forum.

 

Why is the legal definition of a multibillion dollar gambling business a joke? They just found out that employees of these companies are basically using insider information to game the system, this is not a joke.

 

You want to know why Christie wants it to be thought of as a joke? Because of the gambling in his state.

[pettie4sox]

Rubio would probably be the ideal candidate for the Republicans after watching the debate. He's not white, and could potentially sway some non-whites to vote for him. That being said, he's still a Republican with very archaic views. Might be be their best shot but he's still probably not going to win.