The Republican Thread

LDF · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 07:19 AM)

It seems like every day some media type is trying to get "the big one" on Carson. They keep bringing up things he's said and appear to be trying to get him to lose favor with voters drastically. How come Obama was basically off limits from this kind of stuff. It was all kind, gentle coverage of Obama during his eight years. Hillary's getting the kid gloves, too. In this world of cliches and 20-second max soundbites, the main story on Hillary is ... "Big Bad Republicans Continue to Attack Hillary Who Did Nothing Wrong with Her Emails and Did Nothing Wrong Regarding Benghazi"

Meanwhile, they are trying to make Carson look like a Loonie-Tune (despite him being an incredible surgeon and brilliant man). The overwhelming vibe given from media's coverage of Ben Carson is that he's a man with weird thoughts and ideas; Meanwhile they are trying to make Trump also look like a Loonie-Tune and a sexist and an all around bad guy; and finally they scoff at the rest of the Republican candidates as merely being unworthy of high office.

What's with the media going after Carson?? Do they not like his voice or something? His voice is kinda weird sounding. Considering his resume I do not think Carson is some scary-thinking bizarre cat, which the media is kinda wanting us to believe! They certainly aren't giving us the picture of Carson as a brilliant surgeon; no way is that the media's portrayal of Ben.

oh how i hate pulling out the race card but on this one, i have to.

with pres Obama, this was the first time a minority was running, was position to be supported by the whole Dem party. for me, many people have in the back of their mind, we can't attacked on anything, b/c it would appear as an attack on the race.

now fast forward 8 yrs, 2 terms of a minority pres, gay congressmen coming out of the closet, women in high political position, a whole new era of equality across the whole spectrum of politics.

now with minorities now running for the candidacy for president, now, that person can be question on its policy or credentials to become the next president.

in other words, the media is growing up.

Kyyle23 · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:19 AM)

It seems like every day some media type is trying to get "the big one" on Carson. They keep bringing up things he's said and appear to be trying to get him to lose favor with voters drastically. How come Obama was basically off limits from this kind of stuff. It was all kind, gentle coverage of Obama during his eight years. Hillary's getting the kid gloves, too. In this world of cliches and 20-second max soundbites, the main story on Hillary is ... "Big Bad Republicans Continue to Attack Hillary Who Did Nothing Wrong with Her Emails and Did Nothing Wrong Regarding Benghazi"

Meanwhile, they are trying to make Carson look like a Loonie-Tune (despite him being an incredible surgeon and brilliant man). The overwhelming vibe given from media's coverage of Ben Carson is that he's a man with weird thoughts and ideas; Meanwhile they are trying to make Trump also look like a Loonie-Tune and a sexist and an all around bad guy; and finally they scoff at the rest of the Republican candidates as merely being unworthy of high office.

What's with the media going after Carson?? Do they not like his voice or something? His voice is kinda weird sounding. Considering his resume I do not think Carson is some scary-thinking bizarre cat, which the media is kinda wanting us to believe! They certainly aren't giving us the picture of Carson as a brilliant surgeon; no way is that the media's portrayal of Ben.

Yea, Hilary is certainly getting the kid gloves, all of the candidates have had to go before congress and answer questions just like her.

I like Ben Carsons assumptions that the pyramids were just large granaries built by Joseph. I totally want the president of the United States to be completely ignorant of the world.

pettie4sox · November 6, 2015

I guess if Carson is the nominee we'll see how much of the "black" vote he'll receive since that's the only reason blacks voted for Obama before.

Edited November 6, 2015 by pettie4sox

LDF · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 05:56 PM)

I guess if Carson is the nominee we'll see how much of the "black" vote he'll receive since that's the only reason blacks voted for Obama before.

this was a great move by the rep party of getting minorities for their run of candidacy.

it will look as the rep is now going to be for the minority as the dem are.

so if Dr. Ben Carson does become the person, at the end of the day, depending on the dem candidate, the african americans will vote for him.

caulfield12 · November 6, 2015

Ben Carson has the roughly the same odds of winning the presidency as Kenny Williams.

LDF · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 06:19 PM)

Ben Carson has the roughly the same odds of winning the presidency as Kenny Williams.

well at least KW will out of the sox org.

:lol:

bigruss · November 6, 2015

Wait, when did the media go soft on Obama? That is such selective memory there.

Carson is a freaking joke of a candidate. His radio ad is awesome though, listen to that flute! I also love that the ad starts with "Heal", which I definitely took in as "heel" instead.

greg775 · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 01:31 PM)

Yea, Hilary is certainly getting the kid gloves, all of the candidates have had to go before congress and answer questions just like her.

I like Ben Carsons assumptions that the pyramids were just large granaries built by Joseph. I totally want the president of the United States to be completely ignorant of the world.

That was the Republicans' doing, her having to go to Congress. It helped her cause it showed the big bad Republicans couldn't get our Hillary. It turned into a HUGE victory for Hilly. It was portrayed in the media as the jealous Republicans trying to bring our Democratic favorite down and it didn't work you bad Republicans!! Vote Hillary!! It was awesome for Hillary and I'd be surprised if a smart person like you would deny that.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 05:56 PM)

I guess if Carson is the nominee we'll see how much of the "black" vote he'll receive since that's the only reason blacks voted for Obama before.

Race is a slippery slope and I don't want to go there, but I really feel like he gets none of the black vote because he's seen as a rich surgeon and as Jason Whitlock writes many of the African American community do not want people of color to cooperate and make it through what they perceive is a White system. So Carson's success in the business world goes against him. Obama was merely seen as a political figure, not a business succes story. Read Jason Whitlock on race.

greg775 · November 6, 2015

The state of Journalism is Very very sad. Carson camp saying the story is false. I'm so sick of gotcha Journalism. Nobody cares, though. They'll see the headlines and say, "See, Hillary is the choice!!!!!"

Yahoo article ...

“[Carson] never said he was admitted or even applied,” Watts reportedly told the Daily Caller. “This is what we’ve come to expect from Politico.”

Conservative political commentator and Carson friend Armstrong Williams defended the candidate in an interview with The Washington Post, arguing that it’s Politico who is guilty of “shoddy journalism.”

Williams notes that Carson never claimed to have applied to West Point. In fact, Carson has said a number of times, in “Gifted Hands” and elsewhere, that he only had $10 to spend on college applications, forcing him to narrow his options to one: Yale.

“Dr. Carson boasts about his scores in ROTC. Westmoreland encourages him to apply,” Williams told the Post. “As Dr. Carson says, they were impressed by his scores, but he never applied. They said to him, we could get you in. This guy got into Yale—obviously he could have got in. The headline was a fabrication.“

illinilaw08 · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 03:03 PM)

The state of Journalism is Very very sad. Carson camp saying the story is false. I'm so sick of gotcha Journalism. Nobody cares, though. They'll see the headlines and say, "See, Hillary is the choice!!!!!"

Yahoo article ...

“[Carson] never said he was admitted or even applied,” Watts reportedly told the Daily Caller. “This is what we’ve come to expect from Politico.”

Conservative political commentator and Carson friend Armstrong Williams defended the candidate in an interview with The Washington Post, arguing that it’s Politico who is guilty of “shoddy journalism.”

Williams notes that Carson never claimed to have applied to West Point. In fact, Carson has said a number of times, in “Gifted Hands” and elsewhere, that he only had $10 to spend on college applications, forcing him to narrow his options to one: Yale.

“Dr. Carson boasts about his scores in ROTC. Westmoreland encourages him to apply,” Williams told the Post. “As Dr. Carson says, they were impressed by his scores, but he never applied. They said to him, we could get you in. This guy got into Yale—obviously he could have got in. The headline was a fabrication.“

Not that this is the thing that should stop Carson from being President, but in the book he literally says, "Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point." Note that nowhere in Carson's campaign's defense do they allege that Carson was offered a full scholarship to West Point. Thus, that statement in the book is still erroneous. But yeah, maybe the media should spend more time talking about how the guy thinks God gave the Egyptians the knowledge to build the pyramids in order to allow them to store grain for long periods. Or about how his tax plan would absolutely bankrupt the country.

Greg, what policies of Carson do you like? Why?

southsider2k5 · November 6, 2015

He should have just taken sniper fire over Bosnia...

greg775 · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 09:23 PM)

Not that this is the thing that should stop Carson from being President, but in the book he literally says, "Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point." Note that nowhere in Carson's campaign's defense do they allege that Carson was offered a full scholarship to West Point. Thus, that statement in the book is still erroneous. But yeah, maybe the media should spend more time talking about how the guy thinks God gave the Egyptians the knowledge to build the pyramids in order to allow them to store grain for long periods. Or about how his tax plan would absolutely bankrupt the country.

Greg, what policies of Carson do you like? Why?

I'm not hooked on him yet as to where I'd say I fully support him winning. I'm just saying at this point in time it appears only 4 candidates have a shot. So in Greg's world AT THIS TIME they are. ...

Hillary -- I feel she is mean to people beneath her, she is very rude, she feels entitled, is very rich (if we're talking lies how about that lie she gave about how poor she was) and just not the type of person you would want to reward with the highest office.

Bernie Baby - I kind of like him. Not saying I wouldn't ultimately vote for him. Got to be honest don't like the voice very much (many voters are superficial).

Carson - I'm ready to try something new. Sick of politicians. He's Donald Trump light if you compare candidates to beers. Also not crazy about his voice.

Trump - I'd be willing to give it to him, slam dunk, but like Hillary, this guy is elitist and entitled and pretty full of himself, just as Hilly is full of herself. If Trump would promise to shut up for six months after winning and just work on the economy I might go for him.

There are just four candidates and right now I like the non traditional Carson.

greg775 · November 6, 2015

These women on the View need professional help. I mean not to be obnoxious but they don't even apologize for their criticism of Florina's face? Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar commenting on somebody else's face?? They should fire the whole bunch of them. Florina should have never gone on that show. Those hosts would rather be denied pizza for a week than show respect to a Republican candidate.

Florina should have asked them what they thought of Hillary's face to put them on the spot. Would they have said: "OMG, glad you asked. Hillary is gorgeous!!" How dare those women of the View, who are hideous looking themselves, criticize anybody else's face. My gawd.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/view-hosts-clash...-175237563.html

Edited November 6, 2015 by greg775

caulfield12 · November 6, 2015

Sanders can never win.

Very little support outside of white liberals at this point. Two, any American connected to the word socialism is doomed at the national level, or at least critical of the concepts of capitalism. Three, his support of and various meetings with left wing military dictators...the anti-Reagan, essentially. Finally, he proudly honeymooned in Yaroslavl, Russia, during the height on the Cold War.

Having been to Yaroslavl myself, it struck me that this alone would be used mercilessly by the GOP in a general election campaign.

Sanders is a non-starter, so is Carson. Trump still has a non zero but rapidly closing opportunity.

illinilaw08 · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 03:41 PM)

I'm not hooked on him yet as to where I'd say I fully support him winning. I'm just saying at this point in time it appears only 4 candidates have a shot. So in Greg's world AT THIS TIME they are. ...

Hillary -- I feel she is mean to people beneath her, she is very rude, she feels entitled, is very rich (if we're talking lies how about that lie she gave about how poor she was) and just not the type of person you would want to reward with the highest office.

Bernie Baby - I kind of like him. Not saying I wouldn't ultimately vote for him. Got to be honest don't like the voice very much (many voters are superficial).

Carson - I'm ready to try something new. Sick of politicians. He's Donald Trump light if you compare candidates to beers. Also not crazy about his voice.

Trump - I'd be willing to give it to him, slam dunk, but like Hillary, this guy is elitist and entitled and pretty full of himself, just as Hilly is full of herself. If Trump would promise to shut up for six months after winning and just work on the economy I might go for him.

There are just four candidates and right now I like the non traditional Carson.

You didn't answer my question. Unless your response is that your vote is entirely based on superficial factors and has nothing to do with their policies...

caulfield12 · November 6, 2015

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-re...not-stab-anyone

Poor Greg. Let's see how he reacts to this strike at the once-beating heart of Carson, lol.

LDF · November 6, 2015

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:07 PM)

These women on the View need professional help. I mean not to be obnoxious but they don't even apologize for their criticism of Florina's face? Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar commenting on somebody else's face?? They should fire the whole bunch of them. Florina should have never gone on that show. Those hosts would rather be denied pizza for a week than show respect to a Republican candidate.

Florina should have asked them what they thought of Hillary's face to put them on the spot. Would they have said: "OMG, glad you asked. Hillary is gorgeous!!" How dare those women of the View, who are hideous looking themselves, criticize anybody else's face. My gawd.

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/view-hosts-clash...-175237563.html

dang it, i forgot all about it. i guess i will look on youtube to see if someone posted it.

Big Hurtin · November 7, 2015

Dr. Seuss didn't have as vivid an imagination as Dr. Carson.

caulfield12 · November 7, 2015

Not even Carl Everett compares...to you, Ben Carson.

greg775 · November 7, 2015

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 11:45 PM)

You didn't answer my question. Unless your response is that your vote is entirely based on superficial factors and has nothing to do with their policies...

I LOVE his flat tax. Get rid of the gawd-damned IRS!!!!!! Thank you Mr. Carson!

So far I'm OK with his position on gun control. Give Americans access to weapons but try to prevent people from geting the semiautomatic stuff. Illini ... my uncle pitched for the U of I and I respect the school and your opinions, but I think you are wrong if you don't believe I need a gun to protect myself in churches, lectures, parades, etc. There are loonie-birds out there wanting me dead!

-- He wants to give us $2,000 for health savings accounts and get rid of Obamacare. That won't pass anyway, so I don't know why it matters what I think of it. I don't know if that's a good plan or not. I am appalled by health care in the USA and one of the candidates should tackle the bulls*** costs of staying in the hospital. 50 dollar aspirin still the going rate??

-- His stance on immigration seems ok. Those here illegally can apply for guest worker status if they first leave the country and apply. If not we kick them out.

-- I wish he would let everybody buy marijuana not just the people who need it medically.

-- No abortions after 20 weeks. That seems good by me. That's five months. The baby is pretty much a functioning human being by then. He said gay marriage is the law but he personally believes marriage should be between a man and woman. I want gay couples to have the same rights as marrieds, but hit me over the head with a hammer if you hate me for it, but I agree with him. I just happen to believe marriage should be between a man and woman. That said like Carson said, the law is the law. I don't begrudge anybody. I just think if God wanted gay marriage there would be a biological way a man could have another man's baby. Again I'm no zealot. I'm not against gay rights. All people are created equal. But the formal idea of marriage?? I think it should be man/woman. Sorry.

--His foreign policy stance is aggressive enough for me. Step up efforts to stop the militant groups!!! Thank you Mr. Carson.

All in all I think his policies are OK. Sorry if I offended with my marriage answer. I guess I'm a bad person for not believing marriage should be reserved for man/woman unions.

Edited November 7, 2015 by greg775

caulfield12 · November 7, 2015

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:15 PM)