The Republican Thread

[NorthSideSox72]

Obama calls people who don't want to pay more in taxes 'selfish', and equates voluntarily giving part of his pbj sandwich in 6th grade to forcibly having to pay more taxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V3FNh3mAuY

No, he says he can't figure out why the GOP calls him a socialist, and that it must have been that PBJ.

 

[EvilMonkey]

No, he says he can't figure out why the GOP calls him a socialist, and that it must have been that PBJ.

If he really doesn't know why, he is pretty stupid.

[NorthSideSox72]

If he really doesn't know why, he is pretty stupid.

he knows exactly why. He's just mocking the claim, making it seem silly. Which he is sort of right about. He knows his tax policy is far more progressive than McCain's, but socialism is a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong stretch to make.

 

[DrunkBomber]

Every single kid that came to my condo trick or treating dressed up like a democrat, they all wanted me to give them free stuff.

[Dick Allen]

Every single kid that came to my condo trick or treating dressed up like a democrat, they all wanted me to give them free stuff.

Its sort of like being Alaskan.

[southsider2k5]

Obama calls people who don't want to pay more in taxes 'selfish', and equates voluntarily giving part of his pbj sandwich in 6th grade to forcibly having to pay more taxes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V3FNh3mAuY

 

Yet when had the chance at an equal playing field in the campaign finance area, he punted quickly. Way to practice what you preach Barack.

[EvilMonkey]

Wow. So is this website trying to alert the moonbats which houses are ok to egg and vandalize, or are they just plain f***ing stupid? or both? I can see that conversation now between the writer and editor: "But boss, it's our civic duty to let the sheep know which houses are simply too scary for them to take children too. They may have guns! They may even have BIBLES!" What were they thinking?

 

If it turns out any of these addresses have anything done to them, I hope they try and get some sort of satisfaction out of the site. I would have put this in the Democratic hate, but I guess they don't hate, and besides, Republicans hate too, so that makes it ok.

 

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=729360

 

 

[kapkomet]

Yet when had the chance at an equal playing field in the campaign finance area, he punted quickly. Way to practice what you preach Barack.

Somehow, it's always ok for Barack to do whatever the f*** he wants and never get questioned.

 

[southsideirish71]

Middle Class started at below 250k, then 200k, then Biden said its 150k, and now Richardson says its 120k. The number keeps falling.

 

And it keeps dropping.

Edited November 1, 2008 by southsideirish71

[DrunkBomber]

Middle Class started at below 250k, then 200k, then Biden said its 150k, and now Richardson says its 120k. The number keeps falling.

 

And it keeps dropping.

Democrats wont think its a problem until it hits their income level, which it will.

[southsider2k5]

Middle Class started at below 250k, then 200k, then Biden said its 150k, and now Richardson says its 120k. The number keeps falling.

 

And it keeps dropping.

 

THe kicker will be when they blame the drop on Bush. Just wait, its coming.

[mr_genius]

Middle Class started at below 250k, then 200k, then Biden said its 150k, and now Richardson says its 120k. The number keeps falling.

 

And it keeps dropping.

 

Governor Bill Richardson (D-NM) said that people making under $120,000 could expect a tax cut under Sen. Obama's tax plan. This is the fourth number to come out of the Obama campaign just this week, each one successively lower.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Richardson said nothing about that being the threshold. Read the quote. The Obama plan has been published, and many sites are there doing the math for you. I wouldn't go and take the words of someone not even in the campaign and take a single number out of context to mean much.

 

That said, I certainly HOPE that Obama doesn't lower that actual threshold that low. I don't think he will. I could turn out to be wrong.

 

[mr_genius]

Richardson said nothing about that being the threshold. Read the quote. The Obama plan has been published, and many sites are there doing the math for you. I wouldn't go and take the words of someone not even in the campaign and take a single number out of context to mean much.

 

That said, I certainly HOPE that Obama doesn't lower that actual threshold that low. I don't think he will. I could turn out to be wrong.

 

There's actually a great deal of inconsistencies in his tax plan which are well documented and discussed in other threads. I don't need to go to some website and get a 'journalist' to do math for me.

[NorthSideSox72]

There's actually a great deal of inconsistencies in his tax plan which are well documented and discussed in other threads. I don't need to go to some website and get a 'journalist' to do math for me.

I don't disagree on the inconsistencies, some of which are the result of vagueness in the plan. I've seen Obama's plan, and I've seen multiple sites do articles resulting in slightly different results.

 

[kapkomet]

Richardson said nothing about that being the threshold. Read the quote. The Obama plan has been published, and many sites are there doing the math for you. I wouldn't go and take the words of someone not even in the campaign and take a single number out of context to mean much.

 

That said, I certainly HOPE that Obama doesn't lower that actual threshold that low. I don't think he will. I could turn out to be wrong.

There's audio of it somewhere; I heard it.

 

[mr_genius]

I don't disagree on the inconsistencies, some of which are the result of vagueness in the plan. I've seen Obama's plan, and I've seen multiple sites do articles resulting in slightly different results.

 

If he allows all the Bush tax cuts to expire it will be the largest tax increase in history. Certainly not a 'tax cut' like the media/obama campaign are telling voters. His tax cut isn't even a tax cut, it's a $500 giveaway. He has also proposed massive spending increases and his only answer to "How exactly are you going to pay for this?" is tax rich people.

 

If I had to make a prediction, which I will right now, it is that Obama allows the tax cuts to expire for a large number of people, not just those making $250k or more. However the media and Obama will refer to it as merely a rate adjustment and Obama fans will be here arguing with us about how it's not a tax increase.

 

 

[kapkomet]

If he allows all the Bush tax cuts to expire it will be the largest tax increase in history. Certainly not a 'tax cut' like the media/obama campaign are telling voters. His tax cut isn't even a tax cut, it's a $500 giveaway. He has also proposed massive spending increases and his only answer to "How exactly are you going to pay for this?" is tax rich people.

 

If I had to make a prediction, which I will right now, it is that Obama allows the tax cuts to expire for a large number of people, not just those making $250k or more. However the media and Obama will refer to it as merely a rate adjustment and Obama fans will be here arguing with us about how it's not a tax increase.

^^^^^

 

It's already started. They're going to blame Bush. Again, they already have.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

If he allows all the Bush tax cuts to expire it will be the largest tax increase in history. Certainly not a 'tax cut' like the media/obama campaign are telling voters. His tax cut isn't even a tax cut, it's a $500 giveaway. He has also proposed massive spending increases and his only answer to "How exactly are you going to pay for this?" is tax rich people.

 

If I had to make a prediction, which I will right now, it is that Obama allows the tax cuts to expire for a large number of people, not just those making $250k or more. However the media and Obama will refer to it as merely a rate adjustment and Obama fans will be here arguing with us about how it's not a tax increase.

Meh, you can argue whether or not its technically an increase if those lapse. Whatever, its an increase IMO.

 

But you have to remember, even with a near-super majority in Congress, Obama will not have the free reign people seem to fear he will. I'll be surprised if any increase in tax occurs, or that the Bush tax cuts expire and go back up, for anyone under 200k-ish.

 

[greg775]

I have never voted for a democratic presidential candidate in my life, but cannot vote for John. His choice of Palin was so stupid it is beyond belief.

She is probably the hottest chick (her age) in the history of her age.

But to be second in command? My god. DUMB choice John. DUMB.

 

Palin needs to host a TV show immediately after the election. Although her voice and you betcha is annoying.

John you were a fool picking the hot chick. So dumb.

[NorthSideSox72]

I have never voted for a democratic presidential candidate in my life, but cannot vote for John. His choice of Palin was so stupid it is beyond belief.

She is probably the hottest chick (her age) in the history of her age.

But to be second in command? My god. DUMB choice John. DUMB.

 

Palin needs to host a TV show immediately after the election. Although her voice and you betcha is annoying.

John you were a fool picking the hot chick. So dumb.

1. I am not sure the Republican Thread is the best place for this post, but if you are a lifelong GOP'er, I suppose its fine.

 

2. If you want to post in the Buster, YOU MUST READ, AGREE TO AND POST ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IN THE "MUST READ" THREAD.

 

3. What possible relevance does it have to discuss Palin being a "hot chick"?

 

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Article I found by someone listing a list of 39 "half truths" Obama has said. It was brought up by an LA radio host named Terry Anderson

 

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/ar...212172140.shtml

 

 

While the mainstream news media attempt to destroy -- yes, destroy -- Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, they cannot resist the impulse to overlook the lies, half-truths and deceptions of Barack Obama and his comrades on the left.

 

Terry Anderson, an African-American talk show host in Los Angeles, provides a list of 39 things Democrat presidential hopeful Barack Obama claims are facts, but further investigation shows they are not exactly correct.

 

Senator Obama is easily sailing through his campaign without media scrutiny, while reporters rummage through Gov. Sarah Palin's past in order to discover anything that may hurt her politically.

 

While Oprah Winfrey practically lap-danced for Obama, she's refusing to have Palin as a guest on her show (see petition urging Oprah to invite Gov. Palin to be a guest on her syndicated television show).

 

Anderson's list is quite interesting:

 

1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

 

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

 

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

 

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that...and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. Whe n Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

 

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

 

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

 

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam''

 

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

 

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

 

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

 

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

 

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine

 

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - & lt; FONT face=Arial color=purple size=2>NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

 

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

 

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

 

16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

 

17.) Oops, I Misvoted -&nb sp;NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

 

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

 

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

 

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.

 

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

 

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

 

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

 

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

 

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

 

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

 

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rath er handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

 

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

 

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel

 

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

 

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

 

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

 

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

 

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

 

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

 

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

 

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

 

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 (That's 15 Million) who don't have to buy it.

 

39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russan army did the liberating.

 

[EvilMonkey]

Article I found by someone listing a list of 39 "half truths" Obama has said. It was brought up by an LA radio host named Terry Anderson

 

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/ar...212172140.shtml

I wonder h ow long it will be until he is 'reassigned' somewhere else, or outright let go?

[StrangeSox]

I wonder h ow long it will be until he is 'reassigned' somewhere else, or outright let go?

 

Maybe for crappy journalism? He wrote an article about a talk show radio host reading part of another chain email about Obama. There are no sources, either for claims of what Obama said or for the "facts" that are "revealed." He didn't do any research to actually verify the claims.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Edited November 3, 2008 by StrangeSox

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Maybe for crappy journalism? He wrote an article about a talk show radio host reading part of another chain email about Obama. There are no sources, either for claims of what Obama said or for the "facts" that are "revealed." He didn't do any research to actually verify the claims.

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

 

 

I was sent a link to the newspaper article online, thats how i found it...i just assumed, having it come from a newspaper, that it was probably okay. Who knows how much is BS and what is fact.