witesoxfan Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) whoa, when did all of this stuff happen? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 12:08 PM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cowley Cowley certainly doesnt endear himself to canadians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 12:12 PM) Cowley certainly doesnt endear himself to canadians Isn't Farmio the same way with Canada? What was interesting is both the Sun-Times and Tribune mentioned today that Cabrera bolts right after the game most days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 He's there every day. He has a good read on the clubhouse. He's a very good writer. If this was Hawk saying it everybody would believe it? People tend to hate print reporters for some reason and like the electronic guys. What's not to believe? Dye from all accounts is well liked; OC isn't. Why blame the writer? If Oz thinks the guy is wrong I'm sure we'll hear about it in some outburst soon. I believe the writer. He's good. Those ballots shouldn't be made public BTW and I don't know why he hates Canada. That one is baffling. Maybe he got mugged up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 12:52 PM) He's there every day. He has a good read on the clubhouse. He's a very good writer. If this was Hawk saying it everybody would believe it? People tend to hate print reporters for some reason and like the electronic guys. What's not to believe? Dye from all accounts is well liked; OC isn't. Why blame the writer? If Oz thinks the guy is wrong I'm sure we'll hear about it in some outburst soon. I believe the writer. He's good. Those ballots shouldn't be made public BTW and I don't know why he hates Canada. That one is baffling. Maybe he got mugged up there. OC is well liked and respected around the league. Cowley has a reputation for being crass, controversial, and unprofessional. Its not very hard to see who is trying to Marriotti himself into the spotlight constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 01:06 PM) OC is well liked and respected around the league. Cowley has a reputation for being crass, controversial, and unprofessional. Its not very hard to see who is trying to Marriotti himself into the spotlight constantly. I will agree, Cowley is a dope, but I really don't think OC is as well-liked as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted July 10, 2008 Author Share Posted July 10, 2008 I'm sick of the guy throwing his own thoughts regarding players. He consistently belittles Uribe and Cabrera for silly reasons. It's one thing when we do it on a message board, but he writes for a newspaper. His objectivism has been compromised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) I will agree, Cowley is a dope, but I really don't think OC is as well-liked as you think. He has been called a clubhouse leader and a positive influence for 2 successful franchises in his last two stops. I dont know how "mysterious" he could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 01:18 PM) He has been called a clubhouse leader and a positive influence for 2 successful franchises in his last two stops. I dont know how "mysterious" he could be. He was such a leader for Boston, they made no attempt to keep him. They spent their money on his arch enemy, Renteria, instead. The White Sox also used to say nice things about their players until they were gone. Carlos Lee was a good LF until he was traded away. Then it was he was horrible but we had to say he was good. Its pretty apparent, the White Sox roster isn't very enamoured with Cabrera and vice versa. I don't think he did anything wrong yesterday, the steal made a lot of sense, but he's just not well-liked, and I don't think he particularly likes playing for the White Sox. Edited July 10, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) I will agree, Cowley is a dope, but I really don't think OC is as well-liked as you think. I know for a fact that he was/is loved in Anaheim. However, they have a different clubhouse. But he may have gotten overly comfortable with what was the norm there and it may be different in Chicago which leads him to rub people the wrong way. That said, his on the field performance since May has been fabulous and I'd have zero problem if the Sox signed him in the off-season. I just love the way he plays the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 12:21 PM) He was such a leader for Boston, they made no attempt to keep him. They spent their money on his arch enemy, Renteria, instead. The White Sox also used to say nice things about their players until they were gone. Carlos Lee was a good LF until he was traded away. Then it was he was horrible but we had to say he was good. Its pretty apparent, the White Sox roster isn't very enamoured with Cabrera and vice versa. I don't think he did anything wrong yesterday, the steal made a lot of sense, but he's just not well-liked, and I don't think he particularly likes playing for the White Sox. Isn't Swish/OC joking around after homers at least some indication that someone gets along with OC. If he didn't have any friends or get along with anyone in the clubhouse he wouldn't be taking part in those celebrations, imo. The thing is he's very quirky and can come off as over the top and I think Dye is one of those guys that is more quiet/laid back (in general I think the Sox probably have a pretty laid back clubhouse with few exceptions, ie Swisher and AJ to an extent) and that doesn't always mesh well with a quirky jokester (which is what I remember hearing the angels announcers describe him as many a time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 09:48 AM) That's how I feel. I don't care if someone talks to the press or not. Heck the most beloved White Sox ever was a guy who hated the press, and did them no favors. Boone Logan hates the press? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 06:58 AM) If I had to guess... JD is probably a guy who hates movement on the basepaths while he is trying to hit. Listening to broadcasters talk for years, it sounds like those kind of things are well known within the clubhouse. Thinking back to Frank, our basestealers used to be very careful when they went because it distracted the big man. (which Hawk used to mention all of the time in running counts) With Cabrera already on second and posessing great speed, he probably felt there was no need for him to run, especially because with a right-hander on the mound, the pitch is coming out of the pitchers hand with Cabrera moving in the backround right behind the flight of the ball, which distracted Dye and gave away the best pitch to hit in his AB. I heard Steve Stone on a WSCR interview today very emphatically say: (1) the 0-1 pitch to Dye was low and outside and he shouldn't have swung at it. It was not a hittable pitch. (2) Cabrera did nothing wrong on the play. They were basically giving him the base and so he took it... which is what he should have done. (3) Dye over-reacted (4) that it's not a big deal Edited July 10, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 02:36 PM) Boone Logan hates the press? No, just the fans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 03:36 PM) Boone Logan hates the press? Ah, I was thinking he was talking about Baj again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 03:20 PM) Ah, I was thinking he was talking about Baj again Baj is the past. Boone Logan is the present and the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) I heard Steve Stone on a WSCR interview today very emphatically say: (1) the 0-1 pitch to Dye was low and outside and he shouldn't have swung at it. It was not a hittable pitch. (2) Cabrera did nothing wrong on the play. They were basically giving him the base and so he took it... which is what he should have done. (3) Dye over-reacted (4) that it's not a big deal (1) Yep, it was an oh crap the pitch is coming and I lost my focus type of swing. (2) Pretty much agree with you there (3) I would say that Dye may have said something out of frustration (probably not a good idea) and OC overreacted to that. OC could have let it slide by just seeing it as frustration. They are both at fault. (4) As long as they handle it amongst themselves without hurting their play that is true (and I think that it is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 If you're not over it yet, read the replies to Cowley's 'Cabrera Island' article in the Sun-Times today. Good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 03:32 PM) Isn't Swish/OC joking around after homers at least some indication that someone gets along with OC. If he didn't have any friends or get along with anyone in the clubhouse he wouldn't be taking part in those celebrations, imo. The thing is he's very quirky and can come off as over the top and I think Dye is one of those guys that is more quiet/laid back (in general I think the Sox probably have a pretty laid back clubhouse with few exceptions, ie Swisher and AJ to an extent) and that doesn't always mesh well with a quirky jokester (which is what I remember hearing the angels announcers describe him as many a time). Ozzie basically said about a month ago that Cabrera was so difficult and not fitting in that he almost was sent elsewhere. Then he said he was better. I'm sure there are several White Sox who like Cabrera, and if Dye was complaining that Cabrera was running yesterday, Dye was the guy in the wrong. I just doubt that same thing would have happened if it were Scott Podsednik stealing 3rd, and again Dye was the one in the wrong. It also wouldn't surprise me if it was White Sox personnel, either in uniform or not that is feeding Cowley this information. They are setting the customers up for Cabrera leaving after this year, and if they don't win it all, I wouldn't be surprised if you hear some negative things about OC from the White Sox when he signs elsewhere, especially if OC decides to pop off. You'll hear the line that there were 24 guys on one page and one guy on another. They know negativity in the paper isn't going to affect Cabrera's approach much, because he's all about signing for as much as possible, and I don't blame him for that either. His leadership skills I question. Both papers said today he routinely is the first person out of the clubhouse door after a game. That is not a leader, and it also seems like a guy who would rather be someplace else. I'm sure if he still were with the Angels his act would probably be a little different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 06:17 PM) If you're not over it yet, read the replies to Cowley's 'Cabrera Island' article in the Sun-Times today. Good stuff. Classic. He writes responses to the comments like a little kid. Not unlike the one word responses I have received from him on email as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted July 10, 2008 Author Share Posted July 10, 2008 Cowley's Wrong Count This Season: 0 Yeah, remember when Uribe was going to get released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 04:29 PM) His leadership skills I question. Both papers said today he routinely is the first person out of the clubhouse door after a game. That is not a leader, and it also seems like a guy who would rather be someplace else. I'm sure if he still were with the Angels his act would probably be a little different.He is leading them out of the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksd Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 This topic is the equivalent of a NAMBLA message board posting a thread complaining about child porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 my guess is Cowley has other sources on the team who tell him OC is a jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 10, 2008 -> 06:34 PM) Classic. He writes responses to the comments like a little kid. Not unlike the one word responses I have received from him on email as well. ...and he doesn't take on the ones that make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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