fathom Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Richard actually is the starting pitcher. He's throwing 89 mph on his fastball so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Just what I thought about Richard, not a great prospect. He doesn't throw hard enough nor is he deceptive enough to be anything more than a 4 or 5 starter. He doesn't seem to have much in his secondary pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share Posted July 13, 2008 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) Just what I thought about Richard, not a great prospect. He doesn't throw hard enough nor is he deceptive enough to be anything more than a 4 or 5 starter. He doesn't seem to have much in his secondary pitches. Trade bait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 10:46 AM) Trade bait oh yeah big time. Hopefully the team we trade him to eventually saw him in the minors and somehow loved him cause the numbers don't lie he has been very good down there. But you can get the sense when he faces ML hitters, he will have no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Looking forward to seeing Getz. With Getz and Bourgeois, the Sox have two very good looking utility players. I know that sounds weird and may not be something to be excited about, but they have the potential to be really really good for the Sox. With two guys like that who can play basically anywhere with speed and hit very well, you can afford some good platoon options around the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Getz looks like a baseball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Jesus Christ, there's some speed there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 13, 2008 Author Share Posted July 13, 2008 What a terrible call at first base. Impressive speed, I would have rather seen that than a homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 01:18 PM) What a terrible call at first base. Impressive speed, I would have rather seen that than a homer. Yeah, there was also a strike called that was a ball. I think we have our white Pablo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Getz with some glove love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) Yeah, there was also a strike called that was a ball. I think we have our white Pablo. Getz makes the plays in the field too. I truly believe if he starts next year at 2b, which he should, he will hit around .300 with 10 HRs and 15-20 SBs. Plus, making all the plays in the field, good OBP and low K numbers. Kid is a gamer, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 09:44 AM) Just what I thought about Richard, not a great prospect. He doesn't throw hard enough nor is he deceptive enough to be anything more than a 4 or 5 starter. He doesn't seem to have much in his secondary pitches. I don't consider Richard trade bait because i don't think his minor league value is greater than his actual potential value. I say that because teams don't consider him a front line prospect yet he's the type of guy that when you see him over a longer span you see why he gets guys out. He doesn't throw a straight pitch, changes speeds, and keeps the ball down down. Bottom line, Richard is the type of guy that you really learn nothing about watching him in the FuturesGame, since it isn't his aresnal which make him so succesful, rather the command/movement/pitching instincts. Of course not many guys end up turning into a Buehrle/Glavine. Not saying Richard does, but given the value you get for him in a trade I'd hold onto him and see if he could turn into one of those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Getz is better than a utility player. I still say he has the ability to start at 2B for a long long time and worse case turns into an above average utility guy. I hope he keeps raking this year and if Ramirez slides to SS the Sox feel comfortable enough to go with Getz (long-term, Ramirez/Getz could be a pretty darn good 1/2, although there would be some OBP concerns with Ramirez). Plus when you figure the Sox will probably make some other adjustments, I could see them going young up the middle (plus with Konerko and a couple of there young starters, ie Danks/Floyd) that they could go out and make a major major signing or acquire a big big name player and sign him to an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotop Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Henry Rodriguez of the A's just struck out the side. I only saw the last AB of the inning, but he touched 100mph on the gun. Pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Rodriguez was FILTHY. Easily the most impressive prospect I've seen so far today. Doesn't mean he's the best, but man, eye-popping stuff. In terms of talent, this years crop is nothing like last years (which was as amazing of a Futures Squad as I've ever seen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 The Getz/Richar fight for the 2nd base job next March should be interesting to watch develop. The question IMO will be if the Sox want to go with the toolsy guy or the "baseball player" guy. Everybody that reads the minor league posts on here knows I'm as big a Getz fan as you'll find, but Richar has so much talent. Whoever plays next to Ramirez in the middle next year will be important though, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 Who's system is Che-Hsuan Lin in? Burgeious (sp?) will be the Sox RF'er when Dye's contract is up in what, 1-3 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 14, 2008 -> 01:51 AM) Who's system is Che-Hsuan Lin in? Red Sox QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 14, 2008 -> 01:51 AM) Burgeious (sp?) will be the Sox RF'er when Dye's contract is up in what, 1-3 years? God I hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) Is this in jest? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) Why? If Jason Bourgeois is our right fielder, I'll just assume our team plane crashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 05:10 PM) The Getz/Richar fight for the 2nd base job next March should be interesting to watch develop. The question IMO will be if the Sox want to go with the toolsy guy or the "baseball player" guy. Everybody that reads the minor league posts on here knows I'm as big a Getz fan as you'll find, but Richar has so much talent. Whoever plays next to Ramirez in the middle next year will be important though, that's for sure. I want the Sox to get a stud CF and a stud pitcher and utilize the money they will have to make sure money isn't an object (they should clear OC's contract (~$10M), Thome or Konerko's (~12M), Uribe (~4.5M), Crede (~7M) and Contreras (~10M). They won't have to worry about replacing OC, although there will obviously be some growing pains with Alexei Ramirez moving to SS (Getz/Richar battle for 2B). Swisher will slide to 1B, so you don't have to worry about which of Konerko/Thome gets replaced, Uribe gets replaced by whichever of Getz/Richar don't make the team (Bourgois replaces Pablo). This basically means that you are talking of about 43M (with payroll staying about the same) that can be spread out to a stud CF and starting pitcher (which would be the only holes). I'm talking about being one of those teams that actually trades for two guys that are entering there prime and near arbitration years and inking them to extensions that keep them here (plus other money going to locking up guys like Danks/Floyd or whomever else is deserving of a raise). The lineup will be a little bit worse early on (Crede > Fields, OC greater than Richar/Getz) but you'd be upgrading at 1B (Swisher > Paulie's production) and CF (a stud CF >>>> Swisher) plus the rotation would be immensely better (another ace plus Vaz/Buehrle/Danks/Floyd). Pen should still be rock solid. Bottom line thats my plan (the lineup would be very young, rotation would be pretty young, pen would be veterans and you'd still have vets in the lineup (Dye/Thome/Swisher/AJ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 10:08 PM) If Jason Bourgeois is our right fielder, I'll just assume our team plane crashed. He's 26 and is hitting a solid .295 in Charlotte. Why is that so bad? It's not like we have tons of great OF prospects. Dye can't play forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 10:12 PM) He's 26 and is hitting a solid .295 in Charlotte. Why is that so bad? It's not like we have tons of great OF prospects. Dye can't play forever. In 1-3 years, our OF should be Swisher-Anderson-Quentin. Bourgeois is a utility infielder. He's a poor man's Pablo Ozuna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) He's 26 and is hitting a solid .295 in Charlotte. Why is that so bad? It's not like we have tons of great OF prospects. Dye can't play forever. Bourgois isn't a starting RFer. If you want to talk about potential starting RFers, please throw out the name Shelby/Danks (although both are more CF). In fact the Sox really don't have a strong corner hitting OF prospect in the system currently (Jose Martinez may develop that power though). Oh and another note, next year Dye won't be in RF (Quentin will). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 14, 2008 Share Posted July 14, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2008 -> 10:13 PM) Bourgois isn't a starting RFer. If you want to talk about potential starting RFers, please throw out the name Shelby/Danks (although both are more CF). In fact the Sox really don't have a strong corner hitting OF prospect in the system currently (Jose Martinez may develop that power though). Oh and another note, next year Dye won't be in RF (Quentin will). Then where will Dye be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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