Molto Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 the thing with Daal isn't just the point of getting him, but it will push Wright to the #4 spot, Ritchie to the #5, thus preventing the need for a Rauch or Biddle. not that I don't like Rauch, but we shouldn't rely on him for the start of 2003. Daal would be a decent pickup for the #3 spot, and if you think about it, would be more logical than going and getting a Colon or Moyer. hear me out, it sounds stupid, but this is how I'm thinking. if we were to get a Colon or Moyer, and let's say Jimenez, Crede, Rowand, Olivo all fall and don't play up to their potential, we WILL NOT WIN. so we could really be putting ourselves in a situation where we get a Moyer or Colon for one season, a season in which we won't a thing. SO, what would be logical would be getting a guy like Daal, or Reynolds, Traschel, Byrd, and seeing where we go from there. out team won't improve to the point where we'll be contenders, but perhaps we'll improve to the point where we can make a July 31st trade for that big name player that will then make us WS contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Originally posted by Moltohear me out, it sounds stupid, but this is how I'm thinking. if we were to get a Colon or Moyer, and let's say Jimenez, Crede, Rowand, Olivo all fall and don't play up to their potential, we WILL NOT WIN. so we could really be putting ourselves in a situation where we get a Moyer or Colon for one season, a season in which we won't a thing. If those 4 fell on their faces, we'd still have Hummel for 2B, Harris for CF, MJ and JP for C(scary as hell, but it is a reality), and if we want offense from 3B over good defense, than we can put Graffanino or Liefer at 3B. That and the fact that we'd have Colon and Buehrle each going once in the 5-man rotation, Garland, who is developing into a pretty good pitcher, Wright, who is inconsistent but good for being inconsistent, and Ritchie/Rauch/Biddle for the #5 slot. That and the fact that we still would have Thomas, Maggs, Konerko, Valentin and Lee in the lineup and you have some pretty damn good production right there. Plus Edwin Yan, who we got in one of the Pittsburgh trades, I believe the Marte deal, because we got a catcher in the Ritchie deal and Yan is a leadoff type hitter. Regardless, if we were to go under your plan, and say that the Red Sox, Yankees, and Blue Jays are in it in the east, the M's, A's and Angels in the west, the Braves, Mets, Expos, and Phillies in the NL East, the Cards, Reds, and Astros in the NL Central, and the D-Backs, Giants, and Dodgers in the NL West, what does that leave us? 4 teams in our division, whom we won't deal with, the Orioles, the D-Rays, the Rangers, the Marlins, the Bucs, the Cubs, the Brewers, the Rockies and the Padres...the only two teams who have pitchers that I would make a deal with are the Cubs and Marlins, and maybe the Orioles, and the Cubs probably wouldn't strike a deal with us, since two very lobsided deals have come out(Bell-Sosa and Karchner-Garland[this one will be in the future...I can tell]). That leaves us with the Marlins and Orioles, and the fish have AJ Burnett and Brad Penny, and those are basically the only two I'd even consider. The Orioles have Scott Erickson who I might consider and maybe Sidney Ponson...that's it. We're better off picking one up now and then trading him at the deadline and getting a ton in return, if we failed miserably. The Mariners had had Randy Johnson for a long time previous to this, but look what happened in 1998 or whenever it was that Johnson was traded...he had half a year to go and was traded to Houston for Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen and John Halama. All 3 are pretty good players and Freddy Garcia slumped from the sophomore slump this past year...I bet he is back to his old self next year. If we traded Colon to a contender at the deadline, we could get quite a bit in return, if our bone-headed GM is thinking right. Either way, I will be happy next year. Maybe we should just make no moves and go into next year as is and play it out like we did in 2000. If we sucked, we'd atleast get a high draft pick...and then we could stink up the joint again and get another high draft pick...rinse, rather, repeat, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 you make some good points, but I don't think our backup options are as reliable as you think. I'm not too worried with second, but if Crede or Rowand struggle, we'll have trouble finding a replacement. Liefer or Graffanino can't take on the everday duties at third and Borchard isn't ready for center. either way, we have to acquire a pitcher. whether it's a big name like Colon, or a guy like Daal. key is to sign Buehrle. once Buehrle is signed and the Thomas situation is settled, you'll see something happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 Originally posted by Moltothe thing with Daal isn't just the point of getting him, but it will push Wright to the #4 spot, Ritchie to the #5, thus preventing the need for a Rauch or Biddle. not that I don't like Rauch, but we shouldn't rely on him for the start of 2003. Daal would be a decent pickup for the #3 spot, and if you think about it, would be more logical than going and getting a Colon or Moyer. hear me out, it sounds stupid, but this is how I'm thinking. if we were to get a Colon or Moyer, and let's say Jimenez, Crede, Rowand, Olivo all fall and don't play up to their potential, we WILL NOT WIN. so we could really be putting ourselves in a situation where we get a Moyer or Colon for one season, a season in which we won't a thing. SO, what would be logical would be getting a guy like Daal, or Reynolds, Traschel, Byrd, and seeing where we go from there. out team won't improve to the point where we'll be contenders, but perhaps we'll improve to the point where we can make a July 31st trade for that big name player that will then make us WS contenders. I am starting to agree with Mario on this one...... Although I think that Moyer would be a great pick up.... Buehrle Moyer Garland Wright Ritchie Buehrle Garland Daal Wright Ritchie Buehrle Byrd Garland Wright Ritchie Any way you dice it.... its a nice little rotation.... Problem with Colon.... if he flops this year.... JR doesn't re-sign him..... and then we LOSE ALLL OF THAT TALENT!!!! yikes! I think if the oppurtunity comes we get Colon..... but we should go into this with the mindset...... that we no matter what we re-sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 24, 2002 Share Posted November 24, 2002 If we get Colon the first thing we should do is sign him to a contract...atleast 2 years, because then he will be 31 or 32 at the end of his contract. If he produces well up to that point, sign him to a longer deal, but not too long...maybe around 5 years. It would be sweet as f***ing hell to see Colon beat the s*** out of the Twins and Indians in a White Sox uniform. I hope we get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 25, 2002 Author Share Posted November 25, 2002 Well, I'd love to pickup Daal, Byrd or Moyer. Either way it gives the Sox a deep deep rotation. Ritchie would probably start out as the #5 but if anything happens the Sox could easily put Rauch in their without feeling the pressure. Plus, Garland and Wright can stay back in the rotation, which takes pressure of them and puts them up against worse competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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