7 Sox players in the top 64 MLB hitters

[jenksycat]

I don't get what your argument is supposed to be here. What are you telling me? It looks like you're trying to give me more counterpoints but they're not going against anything I said.

 

I was pointing out the stupidity of having a heart attack over ever flaw and loss

[lostfan]

I was pointing out the stupidity of having a heart attack over ever flaw and loss

Oh. Well in that case I agree. But if we can't talk about negatives as well as positives, what's the point of coming to a message board?

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I was pointing out the stupidity of having a heart attack over ever flaw and loss

Indeed. Let the hoi polloi argue the details, I say. Posty post post.

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Oh. Well in that case I agree. But if we can't talk about negatives as well as positives, what's the point of coming to a message board?

I think you have to be realistic and most people here are only negative. The teams major positives, like runs scored and whatnot are rarely discussed, while the major and even very minor negatives are combed through thoroughly and repeated ad nauseum.

[jenksycat]

Oh. Well in that case I agree. But if we can't talk about negatives as well as positives, what's the point of coming to a message board?

 

But there's a difference between arguing pos/negs and holding every single AB/loss/pitch under a microscope. IMO, complaining about anything that we are obviously not going to do well in (SB, GIDP, etc) is pointless.

[lostfan]

I think you have to be realistic and most people here are only negative. The teams major positives, like runs scored and whatnot are rarely discussed, while the major and even very minor negatives are combed through thoroughly and repeated ad nauseum.

 

 

But there's a difference between arguing pos/negs and holding every single AB/loss/pitch under a microscope. IMO, complaining about anything that we are obviously not going to do well in (SB, GIDP, etc) is pointless.

Again - neither of you is disagreeing with me. My whole point is that the reactions to every negative post tend to be just as worthless sometimes. Hell I could start a thread saying "this team really needs to tighten up its bad defense lately" (which is absolutely true) and I would bet next month's paycheck someone would say something like "quit whining, this team is in first place"

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My point wasn't to disagree. I just laugh when I see a selective stat like 7/64. Why in the world would someone pick 64? Only to be negative and try to make some point for all the wrong reasons. Or they are citing some writer who did the same.

Edited July 27, 2008 by Maxwell

[jenksycat]

Again - neither of you is disagreeing with me. My whole point is that the reactions to every negative post tend to be just as worthless sometimes. Hell I could start a thread saying "this team really needs to tighten up its bad defense lately" (which is absolutely true) and I would bet next month's paycheck someone would say something like "quit whining, this team is in first place"

 

I wouldn't argue with that as it is a valid (and important) argument. But things like what this thread was about are pointless. Complaints that we should cut/trade/dfa people after a bad game are pointless (and make up far too many threads).

[lostfan]

My point wasn't to disagree. I just laugh when I see a selective stat like 7/64. Why in the world would someone pick 64? Only to be negative and try to make some point for all the wrong reasons. Or they are citing some writer who did the same.

And this is a perfectly legit reason to shoot down the OP. It would be nice if more people did that, the discussions would be so much better.

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Also its important to look beyond a stat like that and see who you are talking about. Thome, Dye, Quentin. Those are the reasons we are winning baseball games, offensively, of late. They hit into a lot of GIDP because they see a lot of people on 1st in front of them and are power hitters who aren't too speedy.

[Texsox]

The stat proves we are a slow team who gets on base at a fairly decent clip. If a team won all its games by 10 runs, someone would point out that the entire staff has zero saves. All stats need context.

[YASNY]

Again - neither of you is disagreeing with me. My whole point is that the reactions to every negative post tend to be just as worthless sometimes. Hell I could start a thread saying "this team really needs to tighten up its bad defense lately" (which is absolutely true) and I would bet next month's paycheck someone would say something like "quit whining, this team is in first place"

 

Then again, the intensity and the quantity of negative posts around here are worse than worthless. They are a detriment to enjoyment of the season, the team and this site.

[Texsox]

Then again, the intensity and the quantity of negative posts around here are worse than worthless. They are a detriment to enjoyment of the season, the team and this site.

Only if you read them buddy, only if you read them.

[YASNY]

Only if you read them buddy, only if you read them.

 

I read them sometimes, think of a few expletive deleteds to send out into the planetary conscienceness toward the poster and then move on.

[Greg Hibbard]

wow, well this thread sort of took off in a way that I didn't expect.

 

First of all, I did a sort of ESPN's stats myself and was alarmed to find 7/64. No other team has more than 4 or 5 (I think that one is Boston?), and most have 1-2 hitters on that list (obviously).

 

Yes, we score enough runs and give up few enough to be in first place. However, what scares me about this team are two things:

 

1) it's propensity to a one-dimensional offense

2) the high variance result of it

 

Have you noticed this season how jekyll and hyde this team really is? One week we are crushing everyone, winning seven in a row, then suddenly, inexplicably, we are losing 4/5. It's maddening, and I'm worried we catch the other end of that variance at the wrong time - in october.

 

We have a team of largely identical offensive prototypes, particularly with Dye, Quentin, Crede, Pierzynski, Swisher Konerko and Thome - all sluggers who can't run and are worthless on the basepaths. The speed we do possess in Ramirez and Cabrera have low OBAs and don't manufacture a whole lot speed wise. Ramirez has been caught more than a third of the time and Cabrera is going to end up with 25-30ish stolen bases for a season - hardly anything to write home about. However, he has been very effective at stealing, so kudos to him for that.

 

My main concern is reliving the 2003 season where we let a team hang around and then get dominated in september and october because we didn't do anything to address the imbalance offensively. I'm not saying 2008 is the same - it's really different in a ton of ways, but I'm worried about something similar happening.

[Texsox]

I read them sometimes, think of a few expletive deleteds to send out into the planetary conscienceness toward the poster and then move on.

 

I keep remembering when we should have tossed in the towel in February and built for the future. Kenny Dubya was suppose to trade everyone with some trade value and try to win in a couple years. Seems the Cleveland Indians had the division sewn up, followed closely by the Tigers. We were fourth at best.

 

That may well be how we finish, but thank God we tried to win with these guys. Makes for a great baseball season.