CQ4MVP

[witesoxfan]

It would be pretty hard to look away if he has 30 or 40 more RBI than anyone else, but if Quentin keeps it up and the Sox win, he'll have a pretty good shot.

 

which is complete bulls*** because RBI is dependant upon the number of baserunners on ahead of you. If the Sox had Kinsler (.324/.383/.525/.908) and Young (.293/.342/.412/.754) at the top of the lineup rather than Cabrera (.262/.321/.351/.672) and Pierzynski (.289/.326/.425/.750) Quentin would have damn near 100 RBI by now too.

 

It's a big number that's usually pretty impressive to look at, but I hate when people ever use RBI as a determining point in a discussion as important as MVP.

[Rowand44]

If the season ended today and Hamilton won MVP over CQ the ONLY reason he would have won is because he loved drugs. There's a good lesson.

[SoxFan1]

If the season ended today and Hamilton won MVP over CQ the ONLY reason he would have won is because he loved drugs. There's a good lesson.

If you're good at baseball, do drugs so you can win MVP?

[Rowand44]

If you're good at baseball, do drugs so you can win MVP?

Indeed.

[whitesoxbrian]

Hm, I think it looks better with the glow cause I had a tough time cutting it, but I suck at this stuff. Slav should really get his ass in gear and clean up my mess.

I think the glow makes it look sexy. And that's a bonus, when you're talking about Sexy Q.

[ScottyDo]

      OPS     AB    Runs  Hits   RBI   2B    HR   BB    SO    HBP

CQ   .930    358    70    100    76    17    26    46    59    14

JH .  904    397    61    121    98    22    22    39    71     2

Besides having a higher BA, the only other major offensive categories that Hamilton has a lead in is Hits, RBI, and 2B. If you take into account that he also has 39 more AB's than CQ, those numbers become much closer.

 

This year, multiple teams have 2 or more candidates in the running, which may make the race more wide open than normal. (CHW - Quentin/Dye, BOS - Ramirez/Youkilis/Drew, TEX - Hamilton/Bradley/Kinsler).

CQ only has fewer at bats because he walks/gets hit so much more often than Hamilton. PA's I'd wager they're about the same.

 

That's an argument both for and against CQ.

 

Obviously I think CQ should win but it's not like Hamilton's been some slouch, I wouldn't be mad if he won (current paces assumed). I do, however, think that CQ is clearly more valuable to our team than Hamilton is to his. Without CQ we wouldn't be sniffing first place right now, just as Texas isn't sniffing first place right now.

[witesoxfan]

Hamilton has also been at the top of the lineup for a good period of time now. Carlos Quentin generally hit 6th, 7th, and 8th in the lineup, outside of one game as the leadoff hitter (which I didn't remember), and wasn't moved up in the order - to 2nd - until May 5th. After a few more struggles for the team, Quentin was finally moved to 3rd in the lineup on May 14th. That means Hamilton has about a month, total, of hitting 4 spots in the Texas lineup higher than Carlos Quentin. That's probably the biggest reason for the discrepancy in the total PAs (which isn't as much as some people would think - Quentin at 421 PAs, Hamilton at 447 PAs).

 

oh, and I believe the title of this thread should real "TCQ4MVP"...we Sox fans and our little initialisms. It's cute as hell.

Edited July 24, 2008 by witesoxfan

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I was chanting "MVP" whilst holding my "Q-uperman" sign that everyone at the ballpark tonight REALLY enjoyed. Last game I was on the bigscreen 3 times with it, and my cousin said i was on Baseball Tonight, tonight, with my sign.

[southsideirish71]

From Southsidesox.com

 

[whitesoxbrian]

I was chanting "MVP" whilst holding my "Q-uperman" sign that everyone at the ballpark tonight REALLY enjoyed. Last game I was on the bigscreen 3 times with it, and my cousin said i was on Baseball Tonight, tonight, with my sign.

We all saw it as well.

 

Anybody have another pic of it?

[TCQ]

oh, and I believe the title of this thread should real "TCQ4MVP"...we Sox fans and our little initialisms. It's cute as hell.

 

Well thank you im blushing but i havent seen much of the field this year...

[BigSqwert]

Seems like the guys who generally win MVP also have very strong finishes to the season. IF CQ has a monster August and/or September than he should win it.

[BigSqwert]

Seems like the guys who generally win MVP also have very strong finishes to the season. IF CQ has a monster August and/or September than he should win it.

Isn't that part of the reason Giambi won it over Frank that one year? He had such a strong September? Well that and the HGH.

Edited July 24, 2008 by BigSqwert

[WCSox]

Isn't that part of the reason Giambi won it over Frank that one year? He had such a strong September?

 

That and the fact that Frank went into a tailspin in September.

 

If the Sox make the playoffs and Quentin's stats are in the same ballpark as Hamilton's, I'd say that he has a strong advantage over Hamilton because the Rangers are going to be on the golf course in October. Right or wrong, the vast majority of MVPs are given to players on playoff teams. I remember Sosa stealing one from McGwire back in '98, when Mark's numbers were clearly better (especially in terms of SLG, OBP, and BB). The only reason: the Cubbies won the Wild Card!

 

[DABearSoX]

If the season ended today and Hamilton won MVP over CQ the ONLY reason he would have won is because he loved drugs. There's a good lesson.

 

It really is funny if you think about it....

 

I mean I really respect the guy, he tried to keep some of his story away from the press, but then brought it all out for his campaign for Jesus. Now ESPN is trying to turn it into a feel good story about how he is a great role model...

 

Sorry ESPN, If I had kids, I wouldn't want them doing the drugs in the first place...

[thedoctor]

fwiw, sports illustrated runs a players' poll in each week's edition that asks current players a league-related question. this week's was who they'd select as mvp.

 

hamilton was first, a-rod third, and quentin fourth. who was second escapes me right now. quentin only had three percent of the vote, but it was nice to see him mentioned by his peers.

 

edited for clarity.

Edited July 24, 2008 by thedoctor

[Harry Chappas]

A-Rod may win it his stats are looking pretty good and you now he has the best shot at staying consistent over Hamilton and Quentin.

 

Never count out Manny either.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

It really is funny if you think about it....

 

I mean I really respect the guy, he tried to keep some of his story away from the press, but then brought it all out for his campaign for Jesus. Now ESPN is trying to turn it into a feel good story about how he is a great role model...

 

Sorry ESPN, If I had kids, I wouldn't want them doing the drugs in the first place...

 

 

DaBearSox, this isnt directed just at you, yours is just the last the last I read, but this attitude some of you have about Hamilton and the "he did drugs omg hate hate hate" blah blah blah whatever is annoying. I'd be willing to bet a vast majority of people on this board who are over 18 have at least tried some drug at some point in their life one time. Do you really think Hamilton went out to get himself addicted? Do you believe thats what he was trying to do? Do you think he said to himself the first time he tried something "Yes, i cant wait to begin the downward spiral and ruin my life"? No, he didnt. Of course I am not advocating what he did, but it is very commendable the way he has been able to pick his life up and get his act together. Many people are not able to do that. It is admirable the way he has come back and gotten over his addiction. What he is doing now hopefully prevents some kids from making similar mistakes in the future.

 

That being said and off my chest, to respond to the actual point o fthe thread, CQ has a good shot, but his lack of exposure will hurt him. Plus, if JD stays hot and get those RBI numbers up, teammates sometimes can have a negative affect on each other (splitting votes). And, you can never count out ARod when it comes to these types of things.

[StrangeSox]

DaBearSox, this isnt directed just at you, yours is just the last the last I read, but this attitude some of you have about Hamilton and the "he did drugs omg hate hate hate" blah blah blah whatever is annoying. I'd be willing to bet a vast majority of people on this board who are over 18 have at least tried some drug at some point in their life one time. Do you really think Hamilton went out to get himself addicted? Do you believe thats what he was trying to do? Do you think he said to himself the first time he tried something "Yes, i cant wait to begin the downward spiral and ruin my life"? No, he didnt. Of course I am not advocating what he did, but it is very commendable the way he has been able to pick his life up and get his act together. Many people are not able to do that. It is admirable the way he has come back and gotten over his addiction. What he is doing now hopefully prevents some kids from making similar mistakes in the future.

 

That being said and off my chest, to respond to the actual point o fthe thread, CQ has a good shot, but his lack of exposure will hurt him. Plus, if JD stays hot and get those RBI numbers up, teammates sometimes can have a negative affect on each other (splitting votes). And, you can never count out ARod when it comes to these types of things.

 

America loves the redemption story. And it is great that Hamilton has cleaned up. But he gets more praised for falling hard and picking himself up and playing at an MVP level than someone who didn't f*** it all up in the first place.

[whitesoxfan101]

Hamilton's a better story than Andre Dawson was in 1987.

 

Hamilton will win if his stats are better than Quentin's.

 

Quentin has more home runs and a higher slugging, on base, and OPS than Josh Hamilton. His team is also in first place, somewhere Josh Hamilton's team won't sniff all season. If the season ended today, Quentin is the MVP and there is little question about it if the voters have any clue of what they speak. He carried our team for two months, he's carrying it again right now, and we're in first place.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

America loves the redemption story. And it is great that Hamilton has cleaned up. But he gets more praised for falling hard and picking himself up and playing at an MVP level than someone who didn't f*** it all up in the first place.

 

There's your answer. The media are suckers for these things.

 

However, its hard for me to totally agree that is why he is getting more praise when he is having arguably one of if not the best offensive season of anyone in baseball right now. Regardless of his or anyone else's past history.

 

[Gregory Pratt]

If the season ended today and Hamilton won MVP over CQ the ONLY reason he would have won is because he loved drugs. There's a good lesson.

 

That's a cruel and thoughtless manner to describe someone's drug problem. He wasn't sitting around sipping on syringes for the taste.

 

By all means, there's a lot of ways to look at him, and there's a lot of people who resent Hamilton or dislike him or some other generally-negative feeling, but "he loved drugs" is one of the worst sentences written on SoxTalk.

[rangercal]

"he loved drugs" is one of the worst sentences written on SoxTalk.

 

I second that

[longshot7]

TCQ-- not just any CQ, but THE CQ.

[YASNY]

If the season ended today and Hamilton won MVP over CQ the ONLY reason he would have won is because he loved drugs. There's a good lesson.

 

I've seen you critcized for making this remark and I'm not going to do that. I am however, going to point out that people do falter and they do make mistakes ... sometimes huge mistakes. People fall prey to drugs, sex, gambling, achohol, food or any number of things. Some people let their particular vice take them down. Apparently, though it's never a sure bet, but Josh Hamilton has excersized some huge demons in his life. That shows a tremendous amount of intestinal fortitude and character even though he didn't show those qualities as he was falling into his own personal version of hell. He pulled himself up from that. Give credit for his accomplishments, because many do not have what it takes to recover from a postion in which they are in worse shape than they ever were when they started their fall to that position. He may spiral right back into it at some point. But as for this moment in time, Josh Hamilton deserves anything but criticism.