thedoctor Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 you just shake your head on this one. guess he doesn't have to worry about taking a bunch of ish from big ten fans this year... champaign news-gazette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Depending on what exactly happened, this should definitely be it for Jamar in an Illinois basketball uniform. I wonder if a term of his probation was that he couldn't drink even once he turned 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 04:34 PM) Depending on what exactly happened, this should definitely be it for Jamar in an Illinois basketball uniform. I wonder if a term of his probation was that he couldn't drink even once he turned 21. even though i probably shouldn't be i'm just stunned at the stupidity of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 More fun from Team Weber and his band of morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (thedoctor @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 11:37 AM) even though i probably shouldn't be i'm just stunned at the stupidity of this. Yeah, I want to know what the conditions of his probation were and what exactly he did before wanting him gone for sure though. For instance, it is possible that a condition of his probation was to not enter bars. If he did so but wasn't drinking, while an incredibly stupid decision I'm also not sure that necessarily warrants being tossed off the team of course depending on what the state decided to do on his probation violation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) More fun from Team Weber and his band of morons. KU fans have no room to talk on behavioral issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 As much as it hurts our team, if he violated something like drinking while on probation, then I'm glad he's gone. He should have never been able to come back to the team in the first place IMO, so if he's gone, so be it. Maybe others can learn from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I'm sure no drinking was a term of his probation whether he became of legal age or not. If its true he violated the terms, it shows what a true moron the guy is. He got a huge break, being able to continue his free education and play basketball. It will be interesting to see if the AD and Weber have grown the stones to tell him so long if he's not behind bars during the basketball season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 What might his punishment be legally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 06:13 PM) What might his punishment be legally? if this is found to be a violation i'd say he's looking at having his probation extended. since he's already served time, i don't know that he'd be sent behind bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 01:13 PM) I'm sure no drinking was a term of his probation whether he became of legal age or not. If its true he violated the terms, it shows what a true moron the guy is. He got a huge break, being able to continue his free education and play basketball. It will be interesting to see if the AD and Weber have grown the stones to tell him so long if he's not behind bars during the basketball season. Honestly, I think it is more than just being stupid when it comes to Jamar and drinking. I think he has a real substance abuse problem which it appears he has not overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 One thing that really caught my eye, which may be the only bright spot in all this Weber said last week Smith was on pace to graduate in May, though he has two seasons of eligibility remaining. With graduation rates on major programs as low as they are, and for star players, even lower, that shows he has some maturity and there is some hope for his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 With Meyers Leonard joining the Orange and Blue, today could have been a great day for the Illini and now this with Jamar. Kid had potential to play in the NBA with his shot and he just flushed it down the drain. I hope he enjoys playing at some D-2 or D-3 college in the future. What an idiot. At least this will be the last year of this crap for Illinois basketball. After this 09 recruiting class comes in that should be a solid foundation, we lottery prospects the next year and hopefully in '11, '12, '13... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 07:32 PM) Honestly, I think it is more than just being stupid when it comes to Jamar and drinking. I think he has a real substance abuse problem which it appears he has not overcome. I don't think you could possibly know that. College kids drink. A lot. Doesn't make him different from the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) I don't think you could possibly know that. College kids drink. A lot. Doesn't make him different from the norm. If he was partaking a couple of times a week sure I would agree. But after the 1st incident he discussed his drinking habits which including polishing off bottles of tequila 3-4 times in a typical week. I don't know or have many friends or people I have known that drink to that level. And the couple I have known that have drank that much that often I would classify as borderline alcoholics. But you are right that I don't have any real way of knowing since I don't know Jamar personally. I just remember him basically admitting he had a problem after the 1st incident. Edited July 30, 2008 by whitesoxfan99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 statement from champaign pd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) Jamar clearly was stupid to return when the police told him to leave, although if it was outside FUBAR there are apartments above the bar so he may have been trying to get in there (unlikely but possible). However no matter the circumstances, if that is all there is then the state has an incredibly weak case and that they are even pursuing this reeks of politics. Just to clarify my position, I don't doubt that Jamar was drinking but the evidence based on that report was pretty weak. Which puts the university in a bind because do you kick Jamar off the team for allegedly doing something the state might not be able to prove. I'm guessing there are still more facts to come out though. Edited July 29, 2008 by whitesoxfan99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) Jamar clearly was stupid to return when the police told him to leave, although if it was outside FUBAR there are apartments above the bar so he may have been trying to get in there (unlikely but possible). However no matter the circumstances, if that is all there is then the state has an incredibly weak case and that they are even pursuing this reeks of politics. Just to clarify my position, I don't doubt that Jamar was drinking but the evidence based on that report was pretty weak. Which puts the university in a bind because do you kick Jamar off the team for allegedly doing something the state might not be able to prove. I'm guessing there are still more facts to come out though. all i can say is i thought there'd be more than that for a $25K bond to be issued. if they suspected smith of drinking (i don't doubt he was) why not pinch him for public intox or obstruction of justice or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (thedoctor @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 03:59 PM) all i can say is i thought there'd be more than that for a $25K bond to be issued. if they suspected smith of drinking (i don't doubt he was) why not pinch him for public intox or obstruction of justice or something? Because it is extremely unlikely that they would be prosecuting this if it was not Jamar Smith and he was not a recognizable face (based on the facts as stated in the report). If this is the full report, I'm kind of in the same boat I was after the DUI. I could see kicking him off the team and I could see letting him stay. I just know Jamar has a lot of issues and I am going to have a hard time really rooting for him. There doesn't appear to be any real cut and dry decision based on the allegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 29, 2008 Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) Because it is extremely unlikely that they would be prosecuting this if it was not Jamar Smith and he was not a recognizable face (based on the facts as stated in the report). If this is the full report, I'm kind of in the same boat I was after the DUI. I could see kicking him off the team and I could see letting him stay. I just know Jamar has a lot of issues and I am going to have a hard time really rooting for him. There doesn't appear to be any real cut and dry decision based on the allegations. i agree. my question regarding pressing charges was more rhetorical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (thedoctor @ Jul 29, 2008 -> 04:06 PM) i agree. my question regarding pressing charges was more rhetorical. I also want to know what the hell Jamar was thinking returning to the scene? When a cop tells you to leave you do so. Initial reports were that it was by FUBAR (where there are apartments as well) so unless he was trying to get in there i just can't fathom why he would return to the scene. And the sad thing is I doubt he was trying to get in those apartments. The other potential reason was that maybe a friend of his was being held by the cops? Just doesn't make sense to me. Edit: Just reread the report and I now realize Jamar's incident wasn't at FUBAR. The cops first responded to the issue at FUBAR and then to an altercation a block away so the unlikely explanation definitely does not exist. Edited July 29, 2008 by whitesoxfan99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Wording on the article makes it hard to tell whether or not he posted $2500 (meaning the Bond was $25k) or the bond was $2500 meaning he had to post $250. Seems like a pretty weak case after reading it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 http://www.wthitv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8...p;nav=menu593_2 This article claims that Jamar told the cops he had been drinking. If that is the case then he could be in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Sort of OT but if Jamar is gone, the games between NW, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Michigan and probably Penn State are all going to be comically bad. Wow is the conference going to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Jamar has been seen drinking on more than a few occasions down there by people I know. He is just a stupid person with a problem that obviously hasn't been treated properly. It really is pathetic that Bruce didn't kick him off the team originally, I can only hope he will FINALLY be gone now. However, Jamar is like a cat with 9 lives, so we'll see. Bond was 25K btw Badger, that is why he posted 2500. It sounds like a weak case, but you don't need much when all it takes for probation violation is drinking alcohol, even with Jamar being of age. Edited July 30, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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