Jimbo's Drinker Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 to think RR is on the hot seat is just plain stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I honestly don't believe Rodriguez or Zook is on that list at all. Weis has his seat warming, but he will have a chance next year. If he can't win next year, then I don't know what he's going to do. With the level of talent he recruited, he should be in the upper echelon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 12:10 PM) to think RR is on the hot seat is just plain stupid. No Michigan team had ever lost 8 games in a season before. Yes, he has one more season of struggling, and that's it. The expectations are too high, and Beilein's showing what you can do in just his second season as BB coach...yes, it's easier to turn a BB program around quickly with 2-3 players, but the patience level isn't high in Michigan, especially with economy exasperating the entire state. I should say that Rodriguez is on warning...he has this "mulligan" year to blame on the past, but not much more rope. Stoops came in his second year, and, using mostly John Blake's recruits, won a National Championship. You can't tell me that Michigan or Notre Dame's recruiting classes have significantly less talent that Blake's when he was the OU coach...can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Again, look at the recruits coming in next year. Rodriguez is going nowhere. It is stupid to think he is on the hot seat, expecially after all the money Michigan paid to WV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 RR has a totally different offense that needs speed. Michigan was a run heavy team wtih big old bodies. Let him get his athletes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 08:42 AM) Add Rodriguez at MICHIGAN to the list...hot seat getting hotter for Bielema as well. As an Iowa grad, I thought he had the recruiting ability and motivational skills to be a great head coach, but maybe he wasn't quite ready for the big-time quite yet. I think it's 50/50 whether Bobby Stoops could have done a better job at Iowa than Kirk Ferentz has, with the much more limited talent pool, sharing the state with ISU...having no major population centers in the states like all the other B10 schools and having the smallest African/American population as well. I bet Stoops would be better than 4-6 against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Which is worse, considering BCS doesn't take into effect how much you lose by? 1. Texas Tech losing AT Oklahoma 2. Florida losing at home to Mississippi Huge hole in the system that you can lose early in the season and not have it hurt as much as a loss later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 BCS does take into effect how much you lose by. That's the polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 03:20 PM) BCS does take into effect how much you lose by. That's the polls. Thought they got rid of that a few years ago after teams started running up scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) Thought they got rid of that a few years ago after teams started running up scores. It's not in the computers but what Dan is saying that the pollsters look at the margin of victories and thus that effects the BCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 03:24 PM) It's not in the computers but what Dan is saying that the pollsters look at the margin of victories and thus that effects the BCS. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 12:47 PM) RR has a totally different offense that needs speed. Michigan was a run heavy team wtih big old bodies. Let him get his athletes in. So, you are saying that UM has no athletes on the team? Big Old bodies huh? I see a young O-line, inexperienced WR's and some good RB's. Which ones are big and old? This may also be the best defense you will see out of RR at Mich, he is not known for having a good defensive team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 RR won't get fired, and neither will Zook for that matter. Bielema isn't on the hot seat yet, but he is one 7-5 season away from it in my opinion. Weis SHOULD be fired, and I think would be but for the fact that Notre Dame would have to pay that huge buyout, so they are stuck with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I am so f***in sick of these USC apologists. Why would anyone rank them fifth, when they probably won't even win the horrible pac-10? How are they ahead of an undefeated Utah team when the Utes beat the same Oregon st. team they lost to? my top 10 1. Alabama 2. Texas 3. Florida 4. Oklahoma 5. Penn State 6. Utah 7. Texas Tech 8. USC 9. Boise State 10. Ohio State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 22, 2008 -> 06:47 PM) texas tech is just getting pounded.....ive thought the whole time that the actual best team of those 3 is oklahoma....i think texas and texas tech and even oklahoma state are a bit overrated...outside of each other those teams haven't beaten anyone.... Except Texas did beat OU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 22, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Are you sure Texas wouldn't play Missouri over OU because of head-to-head victory in Dallas? It seems that the winner of the Big12 South sometimes is the team that DOESN'T have to play an extra game and expose themselves to a loss. FWIW, I think there's a good chance that OSU can beat Oklahoma, just because that game is always a toss-up no matter how good Oklahoma is...then again, the way OU is steamrolling TT today, you wonder how they blew a lead against TX. But I've been there before with Stoops teams, they were undefeated and got rolled 35-7 by Kansas State in the Championship game about 5 years ago. Shout out to my Iowa Hawkeyes and Coach Kirk Ferentz for resurrecting that program a second time in a decade...this time more do to off-field problems and recruiting stagnation. 55-0 over Minny, the 2nd worst loss at home ever for the Gophers. Wonder if the Outback Bowl would take Iowa over MSU and NU? It will be interesting, NU beat Iowa at home, but that now seems like a fluke because Iowa was in control until fumbling right before the half...and MSU was torn apart by PSU, who was just beaten at home by Iowa. I just don't see Northwestern travelling well to any game, let alone the Alamo Bowl, which has hosted the Hawkeyes many a time. Iowa lost four games this season by something like 12 points. Not saying they are a BCS team at all, but they are definitely on the way back up, although I don't think Shonn Greene has anything to gain by returning for one more year. Stoops is about to put 70 up on the board...vindication for all the doubters and bulletin board material ripping OU's defense over the last 4-5 seasons. This is a no-doubt statement game for that program, playing without their best DL. Iowa hasn't had a bad loss all season and you could make a case that they should have won every game but the Michigan State game (that was the one game where I'd say the opposition controlled them). I could also make a case for the illini game. They had Pitt and NU beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 22, 2008 -> 09:27 PM) I have a hard time distinguishing who the best team is between Texas, USC, Oklahoma, and Florida. I think Texas has to be ranked ahead of OU due to head to head on a neutral field, but a little round robin between those 4 would be nice. Too bad it can't happen. In regards to relevance though, Texas is in great shape to play in the Big 12 title game if BCS expert Brad Edwards of ESPN is right. He predicts Texas will be #2 and Oklahoma #4 in the BCS standings (with Florida #3) tomorrow. I'm not sure I buy that, but if he is right, I can't see any way Oklahoma can jump Texas, and the BCS standings are the 3 way tiebreaker of course in the Big 12 South. That is how it SHOULD be though, I don't care how good Oklahoma looks, Texas beat them on a neutral field and there is no way for OU to dispute that argument. USC has talent but they can't be in the same equation as those other three teams, plus Alabama because USC hasn't played s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 04:43 PM) USC has talent but they can't be in the same equation as those other three teams, plus Alabama because USC hasn't played s***. USC's defense can be just as dominant as the offenses as the other 3, that's why they belong in that equation IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 02:33 PM) I bet Stoops would be better than 4-6 against us. Well, Iowa lost to ISU when we had our best team in many years with Brad Banks, Clark, Gallery and Sanders that went on to get crushed by USC in the Orange Bowl that year... Ferentz also has a winning record against Paterno (Iowa practically dominates PSU) and has only lost once to Zook. I'm sure if Iowa played Illinois again or on a neutral field today, they would beat them pretty handily with the momentum they have and the confidence of Rick Stanzi growing. Keep in mind, Stoops has struggled mightily against OSU...losing a number of games against them when he had the overwhelming talent, because these games were played up in Stillwater. One game they (OU) won came down to a final play in the endzone that could have resulted in another OSU win. In-state rivalry games are always difficult for any coach. But yeah, when they dissect his record, success against ISU and Northwestern (like Alford in BB) won't be strong points on the resume. Edited November 23, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 05:41 PM) Iowa hasn't had a bad loss all season and you could make a case that they should have won every game but the Michigan State game (that was the one game where I'd say the opposition controlled them). I could also make a case for the illini game. They had Pitt and NU beat. If they started the season over again today, they would beat PITT and NW for sure...they were also in that MSU game all the way until the end, although they've never done very well in East Lansing. The NW game, it was like another Iowa loss in Evanston where they blew a huge lead and NU recovered an onsides kick in the final moments...one of those games watching on the internet you feel sliding away and there's nothing you can do to stop the momentum...that was arguably the worst lost of Ferentz's career until the final game of the 2007 season losing against one of the directional MAC Michigan teams to stop our bowl streak. We did have three seasons in a row where we finished #8 in the country, pretty amazing run there...unfortunately the great recruiting class that resulted (especially Chicago kids) has been a washout, Jake Christensen/Doerring/Bain/Moeaki/Dace Richardson. We almost, almost got Zbikowski, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Heh. You guys weren't getting Zbikowski. He came to ND for the Bengal bouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 05:38 PM) USC's defense can be just as dominant as the offenses as the other 3, that's why they belong in that equation IMO. Yes they do, they have the talent to be in that conversation, but they still shouldnt since they arent even going to win their own conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 So Texas is 2 in the BCS. Apparently one of the computers has Utah as number 2, that's very interesting. Going to be quite the mess as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 Alabama Texas Oklahoma Florida USC Utah Texas Tech Penn State Boise State Ohio State What I expected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 23, 2008 -> 06:30 PM) Yes they do, they have the talent to be in that conversation, but they still shouldnt since they arent even going to win their own conference. They are going to get a share, but not win the tiebreaker. And damn, the BCS is crazy. I think Florida still controls it's own destiny, but even that might be up in the air, ESPECIALLY if Alabama were to somehow lose to Auburn. Texas is where it belongs ahead of OU, but i'm surprised Florida is only 4th. Edited November 24, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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