Milkman delivers Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 11:49 PM) There are Sox fans on this board, and there are self absorb posters who are fans of themselves. They would rather be right then have the team win. You're not mad at us. You're mad at the White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:13 AM) It was also a team coming off of a horrid second half. I believe it's been stated on here a few times, but the second half of 2005 wasn't as "horrid" as one would think. It was worse than the 1st half, but it had more to do with Cleveland's incredible play down the stretch. I want to say we were even pretty well above .500 for the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 09:34 AM) I believe it's been stated on here a few times, but the second half of 2005 wasn't as "horrid" as one would think. It was worse than the 1st half, but it had more to do with Cleveland's incredible play down the stretch. I want to say we were even pretty well above .500 for the second half. Late August and early September were dreadful... I remember everyone here jumping out of the figurative window... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I'm tired of hearing about Liriano-he dont play every day-and if just one of their other starters gets lit up a week-it cancels him out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Comparing this team to the 05 team just isn't fair. That 05 team was one of the best teams EVER, some people still don't understand that apparently. This team is definitely struggling right now but I still believe that we're the best team in this division. If(huge freaking if) Vaz can some how get back to pitching like he did in April and May then I think we'd have at least a shot to make some noise in the playoffs. If he doesn't then I think we're one and done, but lets get there and hope some things fall in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 09:13 AM) It was also a team coming off of a horrid second half. 42 and 34 the 2nd half of 05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (letsgoarow @ Aug 3, 2008 -> 04:36 PM) Negative doesnt start to describe you. It almost feels like you want the sox to lose so you can b**** at something I want the Sox to lose? I complain about people complaining about Konerko, Thome, Contreras, Uribe..... and I'm Mr. Negative? If anything my post was a sarcastic post towards all the people concerned with White Sox draft picks. Edited August 4, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 09:34 AM) I believe it's been stated on here a few times, but the second half of 2005 wasn't as "horrid" as one would think. It was worse than the 1st half, but it had more to do with Cleveland's incredible play down the stretch. I want to say we were even pretty well above .500 for the second half. Similar to Minnesotas incredible play at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) Similar to Minnesotas incredible play at the moment That's a myth. We're 14-14 since July 1st and they have gained 3 games, going 17-11. That's pretty good play, but nowhere near incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:32 AM) That's a myth. We're 14-14 since July 1st and they have gained 3 games, going 17-11. That's pretty good play, but nowhere near incredible. Is 17-11 their record since we swept them at the Cell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:33 AM) Is 17-11 their record since we swept them at the Cell? No they are 32-16 since then if I recall, and that's awfully good. But my point is that our stretch of bad play really started on either July 1st (we're 14-14 since then) or the off day July 7th (10-12 since then), and Minnesota has only gained 3 and 2 games since those days. So it's not like they caught us because they played incredible, it's more that we are playing bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) No they are 32-16 since then if I recall, and that's awfully good. But my point is that our stretch of bad play really started on either July 1st (we're 14-14 since then) or the off day July 7th (10-12 since then), and Minnesota has only gained 3 and 2 games since those days. So it's not like they caught us because they played incredible, it's more that we are playing bad. See, thats where Im looking at. We handed them their butts and sat back and they jumped right back into the race. 32-16 is pretty incredible IMO, especially coming off a sweep at the hands of your main rival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 08:51 AM) I'm tired of hearing about Liriano-he dont play every day-and if just one of their other starters gets lit up a week-it cancels him out Seriously. He threw 6 innings of shut-out ball in that horrid stadium against probably the worst team in the AL. He gave up 3 hits and 3 walks with 5 strikeouts. Good, but not great, numbers, especially the 3 walks. Guaranteed if Gavin went out there with the same line against the Indians in the Cell, people would be talking about how he's due to fall apart and the numbers are a fluke, blah blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 09:51 AM) I'm tired of hearing about Liriano-he dont play every day-and if just one of their other starters gets lit up a week-it cancels him out I have a feeling you wouldn't be so dismissive if the Sox picked him up at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 4, 2008 Author Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (almagest @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) Seriously. He threw 6 innings of shut-out ball in that horrid stadium against probably the worst team in the AL. He gave up 3 hits and 3 walks with 5 strikeouts. Good, but not great, numbers, especially the 3 walks. Guaranteed if Gavin went out there with the same line against the Indians in the Cell, people would be talking about how he's due to fall apart and the numbers are a fluke, blah blah blah. I think it has more to do with the massive, massive upgrade they made from Livan to Liriano, and how that is probably a 3-4 game swing in terms of wins for them the rest of the way. In all honesty, I don't think the Twins will play great baseball the rest of the way, especially with their schedule. However, the Sox are going to have to play above .500 baseball though, and won't be able to crawl their way across the finish line. Edited August 4, 2008 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Folks mark my words ... We will win this thing or lose trying... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:49 AM) I think it has more to do with the massive, massive upgrade they made from Livan to Liriano, and how that is probably a 3-4 game swing in terms of wins for them the rest of the way. In all honesty, I don't think the Twins will play great baseball the rest of the way, especially with their schedule. However, the Sox are going to have to play above .500 baseball though, and won't be able to crawl their way across the finish line. I'm with you, if the Sox play like we've seen them play in the past, we can easily win this division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 09:56 AM) Folks mark my words ... We will win this thing or lose trying... B) What kind of prediction is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 09:59 AM) What kind of prediction is that? a noncommittal prediction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgtp Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) I for one have faith the team will pull it together. Having a day off today and starting at home tomorrow should be a blessing! Lets take of business at home! Go SOX! Playoffs here we come! Edited August 4, 2008 by alexgtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:39 AM) See, thats where Im looking at. We handed them their butts and sat back and they jumped right back into the race. 32-16 is pretty incredible IMO, especially coming off a sweep at the hands of your main rival Well it is very good, but most of that was done the month after that series (rest of June and early July). We actually held off that run to remain in first place, and since that time the Twins have really cooled off. The problem is, we've pretty much fallen off the map to a .500 team in that same timespan and now have been passed. Edited August 4, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 08:35 AM) No they are 32-16 since then if I recall, and that's awfully good. But my point is that our stretch of bad play really started on either July 1st (we're 14-14 since then) or the off day July 7th (10-12 since then), and Minnesota has only gained 3 and 2 games since those days. So it's not like they caught us because they played incredible, it's more that we are playing bad. The key question is...how long can the Twinkies keep up playing .667 ball? In 05, the only real reason Cleveland got back in to the race was that they spent about 2 months playing .750 ball. Both the Sox and Twins are right around .560 for the season right now. If they can keep playing .667 ball the rest of the season, you almost just have to tip your hat to them because you have to be one Hell of a team to keep up that level of performance over 4 straight months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) The key question is...how long can the Twinkies keep up playing .667 ball? In 05, the only real reason Cleveland got back in to the race was that they spent about 2 months playing .750 ball. Both the Sox and Twins are right around .560 for the season right now. If they can keep playing .667 ball the rest of the season, you almost just have to tip your hat to them because you have to be one Hell of a team to keep up that level of performance over 4 straight months. The Twins won't play that well the rest of the way with all the road games they have left, they are just not the same away from the dome. The big question is if we are good enough to get our pitching back on track and start winning some series, because this division is there for the taking if we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:56 AM) Folks mark my words ... We will win this thing or lose trying... B) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 10:59 AM) What kind of prediction is that? QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) a noncommittal prediction I'm taking a firm stance in my position: The Sox will or will not win the AL Central. Edited August 4, 2008 by StrangeSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 4, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) I'm taking a firm stance in my position: The Sox will or will not win the AL Central. I admire your bravery going out on that proverbial limb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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