BearSox Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Aug 6, 2008 -> 09:43 PM) He has a lot of movement on his fastball and can move it around to get guys out. If he struggles as a starter, I think he would have a bright future as a setup man. From what I saw yesterday, his cruve is definitely worth the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 7, 2008 Author Share Posted August 7, 2008 Gio was my favorite Sox prospect twice, before and after the trade. I hope he does well, except against us. I still worry about his body and being able to pitch 200 innings consistently, but right now Lincecum is downing that stereotype of small guys pitching well and staying healthy -- so far. But I just have a hunch, Gio is gonna be a lot like Rich Harden (maybe not as filthy numbers wise) but a guy who when healthy is pretty damn good, but he just can't stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 Gio did pretty good in his opener. He got the loss, but it was the 1st inning and he gave up a 3 run homer. From that point he seemed to settle in good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 04:10 PM) IMO we would be much better off having not made that trade and leaving Sweeney in CF. I was saying that about 7 months ago, but everyone called me stupid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 don't see Gio's name on probable starters...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 I've always been a fan of Gio and that ballpark will help him put up some good numbers if he's decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 05:12 PM) don't see Gio's name on probable starters...? He pitched yesterday ... if you are thinking hes pitching tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 7, 2008 -> 04:04 PM) I was saying that about 7 months ago, but everyone called me stupid... Because it is stupid as Swisher is quite clearly the much more valuable player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 5, 2008 -> 03:27 PM) I think he will post an ERA between 4.50-5.00 with solid peripherals. Who cares about peripherals in the Majors Leagues? People only use them in the minors because they can show dominance that will result in success in the next level. I have a huge argument with a friend of mine that Gio is not gonna be any better than a 3 (and I've said worse things than that). He says he will pitch like an ace when on his game and at worst is gonna be a 2. We'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 8, 2008 Author Share Posted August 8, 2008 QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 12:35 AM) Who cares about peripherals in the Majors Leagues? People only use them in the minors because they can show dominance that will result in success in the next level. I have a huge argument with a friend of mine that Gio is not gonna be any better than a 3 (and I've said worse things than that). He says he will pitch like an ace when on his game and at worst is gonna be a 2. We'll see... That's true. Look at Vaz. Pretty good peripherals, but he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Looks like we get Gio on Sunday, one of 3 straight lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 01:17 PM) If his curve looks like it did last night, Sox are in for a long day, and this board is going to be a a joke. As it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would choose Swisher and Broadway over Sweeney and Gio right now. Gio would look awfully good filling in as the 5th starter for Contreras... Edited August 14, 2008 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 08:05 PM) I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would choose Swisher and Broadway over Sweeney and Gio right now. Gio would look awfully good filling in as the 5th starter for Contreras... Yeah, Swisher hasn't helped us win any games so I'd rather have the guy on the DL in Sweeney. Gio, on the other hand, has 1 whole more start than Broadway in his MLB career. And in 1/3 of an inning less than Gio, Broadway has a .87 ERA compared to Gio's 4.09. Yeah, no one in their right mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 08:58 PM) Yeah, Swisher hasn't helped us win any games so I'd rather have the guy on the DL in Sweeney. Gio, on the other hand, has 1 whole more start than Broadway in his MLB career. And in 1/3 of an inning less than Gio, Broadway has a .87 ERA compared to Gio's 4.09. Yeah, no one in their right mind. f*** yo couch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) f*** yo couch What about my legs, Charlie Murphy!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 09:04 PM) What about my legs, Charlie Murphy!?!?! Why would I go and mash mud into someones couch on purpose... ...ya, I remember mashing mud into his couch on purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would choose Swisher and Broadway over Sweeney and Gio right now. Gio would look awfully good filling in as the 5th starter for Contreras... I'd agree with you, but with the emphasis on the words 'right now'. Of course, 'right now' is awfully important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 10:00 PM) I'd agree with you, but with the emphasis on the words 'right now'. Of course, 'right now' is awfully important. Well 'right now' Ryan Sweeney is on the DL and won't be back for at least 2 weeks, this is his 4th different injury of the season by the way. So you'd lose Swish but gain a 22 year old inexperienced lefty who's probably going to get maybe 7 or 8 starts the rest of the way and centerfield would have to be filled full time by Griffey, Anderson and Wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 08:15 PM) Well 'right now' Ryan Sweeney is on the DL and won't be back for at least 2 weeks, this is his 4th different injury of the season by the way. So you'd lose Swish but gain a 22 year old inexperienced lefty who's probably going to get maybe 7 or 8 starts the rest of the way and centerfield would have to be filled full time by Griffey, Anderson and Wise. Frankly...with the way Swisher has played this year, compared with how Anderson and Sweeney have played...I see where they're coming from...even with the injuries I think an Anderson/Sweeney platoon with Gio in AAA would have our roster looking better pre trade deadline than it does now with Swisher, although moving DLS while his value was high seems smart now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 To be fair, Gio has played 2 very poor offenses in his major league starts. I also like the attitude etc. that Swisher brings to the team although some find it overated. Next year and the rest of his contract Id hope Swisher performs better, everyone is capable of having a poor season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) I don't think there is anyone in their right mind that would choose Swisher and Broadway over Sweeney and Gio right now. Gio would look awfully good filling in as the 5th starter for Contreras... You can cut your boner for Sweeney off any day now and to answer your question, the Sox would look a hell of a lot better at this moment in time with Gio Gonzalez in the rotation rather than Lance Broadway (although I think Gio would get lit the f*** up in the Cell, he is a better option than Broadway). However, the Sox would be in 2nd place by about 5-6 games if they had Sweeney in CF all season rather than Nick Swisher, and the clubhouse wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. Furthermore, the Sox have Swisher nearly as long as the A's have Sweeney, and Swisher's a superior player to Sweeney, and KW has been one of the best GMs in baseball at finding starting pitchers who teams have either thrown to the way side or undervalue and has turned them into good starting pitchers (like 4 of the 5 starters in the White Sox rotation at the beginning of the year). I'm not worried about KW trying to find another starter in the least. So, in my right mind as I'm completely sober and just getting ready for work, would gladly take Swisher and Broadway, and I have every reason in the world to justify such a decision. Edited August 14, 2008 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 10:15 PM) Well 'right now' Ryan Sweeney is on the DL and won't be back for at least 2 weeks, this is his 4th different injury of the season by the way. So you'd lose Swish but gain a 22 year old inexperienced lefty who's probably going to get maybe 7 or 8 starts the rest of the way and centerfield would have to be filled full time by Griffey, Anderson and Wise. Sweeney looks like he could have been our CF'er for a season or two, but when he moved to the corner, he becomes a soft hitting corner OF'er which usually means he's on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 02:16 PM) You can cut your boner for Sweeney off any day now and to answer your question, the Sox would look a hell of a lot better at this moment in time with Gio Gonzalez in the rotation rather than Lance Broadway (although I think Gio would get lit the f*** up in the Cell, he is a better option than Broadway). However, the Sox would be in 2nd place by about 5-6 games if they had Sweeney in CF all season rather than Nick Swisher, and the clubhouse wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. Furthermore, the Sox have Swisher nearly as long as the A's have Sweeney, and Swisher's a superior player to Sweeney, and KW has been one of the best GMs in baseball at finding starting pitchers who teams have either thrown to the way side or undervalue and has turned them into good starting pitchers (like 4 of the 5 starters in the White Sox rotation at the beginning of the year). I'm not worried about KW trying to find another starter in the least. So, in my right mind as I'm completely sober and just getting ready for work, would gladly take Swisher and Broadway, and I have every reason in the world to justify such a decision. Did you not see where I said "right now." Anyone can make the long term arguement. But right now, Gio would look damn good, due to the fact any blind person can see that he is the better pitcher then Broadway (even though he did pitch decent today). And with Paulie finally hitting again and Griffey in CF, Swisher is more of a side option right now. Also, to say Swisher is a superior player then Sweeney is just plain ubsurd. You can make the arguement, but to state it as fact is crazy. You have a guy who has always been a decent but not great hitter (although he does walk a lot which makes him a god to some people) vs. a guy who has been hovering around .300 his rookie season and playing much better D with a lot of offensive potential. And the "clubhouse" stuff is so very overrated. When he was on the A's being a "super grinder" and great clubhouse guy, that never won them a World Series title, let alone an American League Champion title. And if we had Sweeney in CF over Swisher all season, I have a hard time seeing how it would have made us worse off. Unless ofcourse you believe Swisher's pressence turned what look to be a very mediocre staff into an above average one. And I love how you say I can cut off my boner for Sweeney anytime, when you are down on all fours for Swisher. It's no secret that I have always been a big Sweeney fan, but right now Gio is the guy we miss most from this deal as he would be a godsend right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) Sweeney looks like he could have been our CF'er for a season or two, but when he moved to the corner, he becomes a soft hitting corner OF'er which usually means he's on the bench. I am still a believer in that Sweeney will develop his power. Everyone knows he has it, he just doesn't seem to want to use it, yet. Also, I hate the arguement that if you play a certain position you must hit for power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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