Metz Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 08:09 PM) I am still a believer in that Sweeney will develop his power. Everyone knows he has it, he just doesn't seem to want to use it, yet. Also, I hate the arguement that if you play a certain position you must hit for power. He should probably start using it if he has it(like you say), might help the A's out. Edit: BearSox remember when you quoted saying that the Sox would have a better record then the A's and you said they wouldnt? Ya that lasted long in your sig .. hah Edited August 15, 2008 by JFields27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 08:09 PM) I am still a believer in that Sweeney will develop his power. Everyone knows he has it, he just doesn't seem to want to use it, yet. Also, I hate the arguement that if you play a certain position you must hit for power. Right, he must be hiding it away for the right moment...... Scouts have been saying he will develop his power for years, it hasnt happened yet, maybe in a few years. And I like Ryan Sweeney a ton for CF for some teams, but as a corner guy, his .724 OPS isnt going to turn many heads. You hate Swish, but he still beats Sweeney by 40 points in a bad year and 90 points in his career so far (with this year factored in). For comparison's sake Darin Erstad has a .748 career OPS. And thats fine if you arent a believer of that fundamental baseball theory. Once the A's have a good power hitting player come up and they need to put him on the field somewhere, they will put him in the corner OF, and then the light hitting guy goes to the bench. Edited August 15, 2008 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 14, 2008 -> 07:06 PM) Did you not see where I said "right now." Anyone can make the long term arguement. But right now, Gio would look damn good, due to the fact any blind person can see that he is the better pitcher then Broadway (even though he did pitch decent today). And with Paulie finally hitting again and Griffey in CF, Swisher is more of a side option right now. Well frame of f***ing reference here, for Christ's sake...who would you have rather had for the past 4 F***ING MONTHS OF THE SEASON, SWISHER AND BROADWAY OR GIO AND SWEENEY? That's absolutely f***ing ridiculous and if you don't see that, then you need to open your f***ing eyes. And if you say Sweeney and Gio, you are an absolute f***ing lunatic. So right now, considering the White Sox are in first place by a full game over the Twins where they would be 3-5 games back with Sweeney in CF all season long, I will take Swisher and Broadway. How's that for you? Also, to say Swisher is a superior player then Sweeney is just plain ubsurd. You can make the arguement, but to state it as fact is crazy. You have a guy who has always been a decent but not great hitter (although he does walk a lot which makes him a god to some people) vs. a guy who has been hovering around .300 his rookie season and playing much better D with a lot of offensive potential. Swisher .233/.351/.412/.763 Sweeney .287/.336/.377/.714 OOOH, SWEENEY GETS MORE SINGLES. Offensive potential means nothing to me...I mean, I figured we were talking about right now, weren't we? Swisher has been the superior player. Fact. Arguing anything else is absurd. And the "clubhouse" stuff is so very overrated. When he was on the A's being a "super grinder" and great clubhouse guy, that never won them a World Series title, let alone an American League Champion title. And if we had Sweeney in CF over Swisher all season, I have a hard time seeing how it would have made us worse off. Unless ofcourse you believe Swisher's pressence turned what look to be a very mediocre staff into an above average one. The Sox would have been much, much worse off with Sweeney in CF. I've put the facts in front of you. All you have to do is let it sink in. Clubhouse prescence or not...I think the never-say-die attitude has come from a number of guys, but Swisher is one of them...this club is far superior this season with Swisher on the team than Sweeney. If you argue anything else, you are arguing with Sweeney-coated glasses for another player. And I love how you say I can cut off my boner for Sweeney anytime, when you are down on all fours for Swisher. It's no secret that I have always been a big Sweeney fan, but right now Gio is the guy we miss most from this deal as he would be a godsend right now. I'm on all fours for Swisher and it's because he's a pretty damn good ballplayer and he's been superior to Sweeney (I hope you have realized this by now). And right now, this club is better because Swisher is on the team rather than Sweeney and Swisher. You can't say "well right now blah blah blah"...it's either this or that and there's no in-between. As of right now, the team is better with Swisher and Broadway. I don't think you can argue anything else, and that has been an all-around good trade for the White Sox at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 Sweeney + Gio for the win!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO. If you'd take single specialist Sweeney over Swisher, there is something wrong with you. Sweeney is at .289 right now, Swish is somewhere around .230. Yes, Swisher's BABIP shows he's been extremely unlucky this season and he STILL has a higher OBP, SLG, HR, RBI, etc. Swisher/Broadway > Sweeney/Gio. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Aug 15, 2008 -> 01:02 AM) Sweeney + Gio for the win!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO. If you'd take single specialist Sweeney over Swisher, there is something wrong with you. Sweeney is at .289 right now, Swish is somewhere around .230. Yes, Swisher's BABIP shows he's been extremely unlucky this season and he STILL has a higher OBP, SLG, HR, RBI, etc. Swisher/Broadway > Sweeney/Gio. Period. DUDE U HAVE HARDONZ FOR SWISHER THO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I think this might quiet down some of the KW doubters again...since he was smart enough to trade Gio twice and get more back in return than he would had he performed this way for the White Sox at the big league level. Now his weaknesses have been exposed. Of course, he'll probably turn things around and become the next Cliff Lee! First Arnie Munoz, now Gio. When is a young White Sox pitcher that's rumored to have a great curveball going to be able to execute at the highest level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Well as of right now it looks good he traded him, but he's pitched what 28 innings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 08:50 PM) I think this might quiet down some of the KW doubters again...since he was smart enough to trade Gio twice and get more back in return than he would had he performed this way for the White Sox at the big league level. Now his weaknesses have been exposed. Of course, he'll probably turn things around and become the next Cliff Lee! First Arnie Munoz, now Gio. When is a young White Sox pitcher that's rumored to have a great curveball going to be able to execute at the highest level? Does it matter if he nets you Thome, then Swisher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Congrats on giving up the 250,000 HR ever. And Kudos to Sheffield for hitting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) Line agianst Detroit tonight. 1.2 IP, 5 H, 9R, 8ER, 2BB, 1K, 3 HR His season ERA stands at 9.32 ACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He's done wonders for my fantasy team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 8, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) Line agianst Detroit tonight. 1.2 IP, 5 H, 9R, 8ER, 2BB, 1K, 3 HR His season ERA stands at 9.32 ACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 9 runs on 5 hits and 2 walks there had to be some odd goings on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 09:08 AM) 9 runs on 5 hits and 2 walks there had to be some odd goings on. giant HR's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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