BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Indians blow 8-1 lead. Nice. Let's hope Cliff Lee can get it done tomorrow. Jiminy Christmas we should have been up 2.5 - effectively crossing 2 days off the calendar - as of tonight. Now its Guardado and Nathan and good night Cleveland. Highly disappointing. This would have been the kind of loss that might have totally knocked the Twins off kilter. Mauer already talked about them "pressing" yesterday. Meanwhile, the Sox have the Fifth Starter Forfeit tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:26 PM) Indians blow 8-1 lead. Nice. Let's hope Cliff Lee can get it done tomorrow. Jiminy Christmas we should have been up 2.5 - effectively crossing 2 days off the calendar - as of tonight. Now its Guardado and Nathan and good night Cleveland. Highly disappointing. This would have been the kind of loss that might have totally knocked the Twins off kilter. Mauer already talked about them "pressing" yesterday. Meanwhile, the Sox have the Fifth Starter Forfeit tomorrow. Events have overtaken my last post. This is what you get when you write a post longer than 20 words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 That's why I don't write anything longer than this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Reyes pwns Martinez, Shoppach and Garko and we are on to the 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I hope it goes 18 and they lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:55 PM) BlackBesty, didn't you saw about a week ago the season was over, and the Sox were just keeping first warm for the Twins? And the Twins absolutely and resolutely refuse to win the division. It's actually remarkable. Had they even played remotely decent ball they'd be 3-4 games in front. Compare the two lineups right now: Span > Cabrera Casilla > AJ Mauer = Dye (more OBP, less power) Morneau > Thome Kubel > Konerko Young > Griffey (the weak griffey we have) Buscher = Ramirez Punto = Swisher Gomez = Uribe (although The Twins' lineup right now is better than the Sox - especially the Sox lineup w/o Konerko - and the pitching probably favors the Twins w/ Liriano (who gagged tonight) and Slowey leading the way. Nathan blew 3 saves...that's the difference right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Wow...Detroit blew a 2 run lead in the 9th as well. The bullpens in the AL Central are pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Victor Martinez walks em off!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Sox up 2.5....they effectively knock two days off of the calendar. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:03 PM) And the Twins absolutely and resolutely refuse to win the division. It's actually remarkable. Had they even played remotely decent ball they'd be 3-4 games in front. Compare the two lineups right now: Span > Cabrera Casilla > AJ Mauer = Dye (more OBP, less power) Morneau > Thome Kubel > Konerko Young > Griffey (the weak griffey we have) Buscher = Ramirez Punto = Swisher Gomez = Uribe (although The Twins' lineup right now is better than the Sox - especially the Sox lineup w/o Konerko - and the pitching probably favors the Twins w/ Liriano (who gagged tonight) and Slowey leading the way. Nathan blew 3 saves...that's the difference right now. In what world is Kubel better than Konerko? Paul has struggled mightily this year. However, I think he has definitely shown that he is a much better hitter than Kubel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 09:03 PM) And the Twins absolutely and resolutely refuse to win the division. It's actually remarkable. Had they even played remotely decent ball they'd be 3-4 games in front. Compare the two lineups right now: Span > Cabrera Casilla > AJ Mauer = Dye (more OBP, less power) Morneau > Thome Kubel > Konerko Young > Griffey (the weak griffey we have) Buscher = Ramirez Punto = Swisher Gomez = Uribe (although The Twins' lineup right now is better than the Sox - especially the Sox lineup w/o Konerko - and the pitching probably favors the Twins w/ Liriano (who gagged tonight) and Slowey leading the way. Nathan blew 3 saves...that's the difference right now. How exactly is Buscher = Ramirez. 4 homers to 18. OPS higher for Ramirez. How about the 13 XBH for Buscher and the 41 for Ramirez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Damn. I wish I had switched over to Bremer and Blyleven to hear their lamentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Yes thank you Cleveland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Thank you Cleveland!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 thanks vic. nathan has hit the wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 (edited) Is it me or is Nathan struggling recently? From the highlights I've seen his command doesn't seem the same. Maybe just me. Edited September 17, 2008 by SoxFanForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Congrats on winning the 08 AL Central title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 11:24 PM) In what world is Kubel better than Konerko? Paul has struggled mightily this year. However, I think he has definitely shown that he is a much better hitter than Kubel. Over the course of their careers, Konerko >> Kubel. This year (going into tonight): Kubel: .277 / .340 / .463 - .803 OPS Konerko: .244 / .354 / .415 - .769 OPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Cleveland Rocks! Cleveland Rocks! Cliff Lee sweep tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 11:24 PM) How exactly is Buscher = Ramirez. 4 homers to 18. OPS higher for Ramirez. How about the 13 XBH for Buscher and the 41 for Ramirez. Ramirez .300 /.320 /.477 = .797 OPS = 105 OPS+ Buscher .304 / .344 /.409 = .753 OPS = 103 OPS+ Park effects inflate Alexei's numbers + OBP is more valuable than SLG when it comes to scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Benchwarmerjim @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 09:28 PM) Congrats on winning the 08 AL Central title If only there weren't 3 games in Minny I might actually believe that a little bit, but let's be honest, I think people would be far more surprised to see us win 2 games than you sweep us. So long as you stay within 3 games by next Tuesday, you have a chance, and a good chance. I'm not even kidding. YOu know how bad we are up there. Edited September 17, 2008 by jphat007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:31 PM) Ramirez .300 /.320 /.477 = .797 OPS = 105 OPS+ Buscher .304 / .344 /.409 = .753 OPS = 103 OPS+ Park effects inflate Alexei's numbers + OBP is more valuable than SLG when it comes to scoring. Well I guess you are just ignoring that one batter has 13 XBH and the other has 41. I guess 41 and 13 are close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 11:36 PM) Well I guess you are just ignoring that one batter has 13 XBH and the other has 41. I guess 41 and 13 are close. Ummm...Buscher has played in less than 1/2 the games Alexei has. Double his XBH and you get 26. The 15 extra base hits are largely offset by the fact that Buscher would have 2.5 times the number of walks if they played the same number of games. That's why OPS+ is a good measure - it corrects for park effects and the relative value of OBP vs. SLG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 16th, 2008 -> 11:35 PM) Ask the Twins would they would rather have. Since Alexei costs $1.1 million per year and Buscher is league minimum and Carl Pohlad is a cheap bastage, they'd pick Buscher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:42 PM) Ummm...Buscher has played in less than 1/2 the games Alexei has. Double his XBH and you get 26. The 15 extra base hits are largely offset by the fact that Buscher would have 2.5 times the number of walks if they played the same number of games. That's why OPS+ is a good measure - it corrects for park effects and the relative value of OBP vs. SLG. Projecting what a player "may" put up is bunk. If projections based on partial seasons were good, then Josh Fields would be making our fireworks budget go up quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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