BlackBetsy Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 11:45 PM) Projecting what a player "may" put up is bunk. If projections based on partial seasons were good, then Josh Fields would be making our fireworks budget go up quite a bit. OPS+ is not a projection. It's a real stat based on real performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:50 PM) OPS+ is not a projection. It's a real stat based on real performance. I was talking more about Ummm...Buscher has played in less than 1/2 the games Alexei has. Double his XBH and you get 26. The 15 extra base hits are largely offset by the fact that Buscher would have 2.5 times the number of walks if they played the same number of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 09:50 PM) OPS+ is not a projection. It's a real stat based on real performance. Fields' OPS+ was 101 last season. Buscher's is 103 this season. That isn't much of a difference. We all know how Fields turned out this year. The exact same thing could happen to Buscher next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:26 PM) Is it me or is Nathan struggling recently? From the highlights I've seen his command doesn't seem the same. Maybe just me. Yes he is in my opinion. Hitters are finally realizing that he throws a lot of balls. Earlier in the season and in previous seasons he would get hitters to chase his nasty stuff, not they are laying off his pitches more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Nathan rarely throws strikes, he gets people to chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 09:03 PM) The Twins' lineup right now is better than the Sox - especially the Sox lineup w/o Konerko - and the pitching probably favors the Twins w/ Liriano (who gagged tonight) and Slowey leading the way. Nathan blew 3 saves...that's the difference right now. The White Sox actually have competent relievers at the back of their bullpen. Even Nathan looked terrible tonight. Ozzie can generally count on Jenks, Thornton, and Carrasco, and Linebrink and MacDougal have both been very solid over the past month. Dotel needs a breather, but the Sox have bullpen arms that don't blow up. The Twins bullpen is just absolute garbage and, in their respective roles, there isn't one Twins bullpen arm I would take over a Sox bullpen arm. The Sox pitching, based on that fact alone, is superior to the Twins pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 I don't have the Season Pass and only get to see box scores, so I'm curious, what's been wrong with Nathan? Is his defense letting him down or has he lost something in his pitches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 08:01 AM) I don't have the Season Pass and only get to see box scores, so I'm curious, what's been wrong with Nathan? Is his defense letting him down or has he lost something in his pitches? Jimbo and I have said that he rarely throws strikes, he gets hitters to chase his stuff. That isn't happening as much as it used to. The defense has let him down a couple of times in the last month or so, plus he threw a game losing error to 3rd base against Oakland. It could also be he's losing confidence in his stuff. I mostly think it's the control issue. It almost seems like most hitters try to take a strike from him, and it's been working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 02:30 PM) Jimbo and I have said that he rarely throws strikes, he gets hitters to chase his stuff. That isn't happening as much as it used to. The defense has let him down a couple of times in the last month or so, plus he threw a game losing error to 3rd base against Oakland. It could also be he's losing confidence in his stuff. I mostly think it's the control issue. It almost seems like most hitters try to take a strike from him, and it's been working. I read that as "despite his recent woes, he will have zero problems with the Sox hitters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 17, 2008 Share Posted September 17, 2008 Cliff Lee tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Jensen Lewis as closer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Twins lose. 2.5 up still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 3 in the loss column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Saw this quote on a Twins board and thought it was funny... Gardy comes out of the dugout with Mijares on the mound and I yelled, 'Please not Guerrier!!' Then they flash to the bullpen doors and here comes good ole meat. I threw my remote across the room knowing we were done. Why can we all see this yet Gardy sticks by him despite his struggles game after game after game after game............. All I could picture was Gardy going to the bullpen phone and dialing up the local Buffalo Wild Wings while asking, 'Hey guys, who should I bring in?' Guerrier has become Mahoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 18, 2008 -> 08:12 AM) Saw this quote on a Twins board and thought it was funny... Gardy comes out of the dugout with Mijares on the mound and I yelled, 'Please not Guerrier!!' Then they flash to the bullpen doors and here comes good ole meat. I threw my remote across the room knowing we were done. Why can we all see this yet Gardy sticks by him despite his struggles game after game after game after game............. All I could picture was Gardy going to the bullpen phone and dialing up the local Buffalo Wild Wings while asking, 'Hey guys, who should I bring in?' Guerrier has become Mahoney. sounds eerily similar to another board I know and love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Sep 18, 2008 -> 08:31 AM) sounds eerily similar to another board I know and love Big sonsofsamhorn fan eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 18, 2008 -> 09:12 AM) Saw this quote on a Twins board and thought it was funny... Gardy comes out of the dugout with Mijares on the mound and I yelled, 'Please not Guerrier!!' Then they flash to the bullpen doors and here comes good ole meat. I threw my remote across the room knowing we were done. Why can we all see this yet Gardy sticks by him despite his struggles game after game after game after game............. All I could picture was Gardy going to the bullpen phone and dialing up the local Buffalo Wild Wings while asking, 'Hey guys, who should I bring in?' Guerrier has become Mahoney. Right now Guerrier is nearly equal to Boone Logan. I am always excited to see Guerrier come in and pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 18, 2008 -> 10:12 AM) Saw this quote on a Twins board and thought it was funny... Gardy comes out of the dugout with Mijares on the mound and I yelled, 'Please not Guerrier!!' Then they flash to the bullpen doors and here comes good ole meat. I threw my remote across the room knowing we were done. Why can we all see this yet Gardy sticks by him despite his struggles game after game after game after game............. All I could picture was Gardy going to the bullpen phone and dialing up the local Buffalo Wild Wings while asking, 'Hey guys, who should I bring in?' Guerrier has become Mahoney. http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrma02.shtml Matt Guerrier Matthew Olson Guerrier Bats Right, Throws Right Height 6' 3", Weight 185 lb. School Kent State University Debut June 17, 2004 Born August 2, 1978 in Cleveland, OH Drafted by the Chicago White Sox in the 10th round of the 1999 amateur draft. Player signed June 17, 1999. /singing/ Secret agent man.....secret agent man /singing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 18, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guerrma02.shtml /singing/ Secret agent man.....secret agent man /singing/ Too bad Mauer and Morneau aren't from Detroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 (edited) Woot Rays. 4-3 in the first. Edited September 18, 2008 by chimpy2121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 (edited) 7-6 TB in the 7th. Edited September 19, 2008 by whitesoxbrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Sep 18, 2008 -> 08:14 PM) 7-6 TB in the 7th. Twins tie it up in the 9th at 8 and are threatening for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Longoria has three homeruns tonight but the Rays might well lose the game as they're tied in the 9th with Minny threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 5 runs so far for the Twins in the top of the 9th. 11-8. If the Sox win their games we don't need to worry about the Twins, but come on Rays, giving up 5 runs in the 9th is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Terrible. We have to win 2 or 3 in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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