joejoesox Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21923 Jayson gives the nod (currently) to TCQ. Some of the comments there are interesting Evan Longoria for MVP? lol, his BA with RISP is terrible. So is ARod's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Cool, maybe I was wrong and the media will start swinging towards Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 is Milton Bradley done playing OF? is his DHing out of necessity, or because he is simply the worst of four outfielders? i know he had an injury going into this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 If you put the Chisox staff on Texas they're contending for the title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Pitching dies there. Our guys would go there to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Thanks for pointing out the chat, I just got a question in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 11:49 AM) Thanks for pointing out the chat, I just got a question in. mine didnt go through ;( it was in regards to game-tying/go-ahead RBI's (i.e. Clutch). Isn't quentin leading the league in those categories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 So unbelievable that we're seeing this thread for a guy who originally was slated to not make the team. In a sense was behind Owens, Anderson and Alexei for outfield time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 10:51 AM) mine didnt go through ;( it was in regards to game-tying/go-ahead RBI's (i.e. Clutch). Isn't quentin leading the league in those categories? If you use the "Close and late" split on ESPN, he's in a 4 way MLB-wide tie for 3rd, notably with Carlos Pena, in RBI in those cases He's at 19. Hamilton is at 15, but Quentin actually has 6 more AB's in those spots than JH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 10:53 AM) So unbelievable that we're seeing this thread for a guy who originally was slated to not make the team. In a sense was behind Owens, Anderson and Alexei for outfield time. Quentin was never behind Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) So unbelievable that we're seeing this thread for a guy who originally was slated to not make the team. In a sense was behind Owens, Anderson and Alexei for outfield time. this season is going to be a positive when it's all said and done, for me. even if we miss the playoffs/world series with being able to see young stars on our team play amazing baseball (Gavin, Danks, Quentin, Alexei), hopefully it's a sign of things to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 11:55 AM) Quentin was never behind Anderson. Actually, you're right, and the reason is b/c Ozzie favored CQ from the start, saw his work ethic. With Anderson's spring, most other managers would have given BA the reins. Good thing Ozzie dislikes BA enough. Edited August 11, 2008 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Just for the sake of reference: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 115 462 77 140 26 3 28 111 47 90 .303 .367 .554 .921 Quentin 113 420 82 120 21 1 32 90 50 68 .286 .383 .569 .952 MEN ON AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 228 261 .316 .368 .627 .995 Quentin 172 210 .349 .452 .651 1.104 RISP AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 138 165 .326 .382 .659 1.041 Quentin 102 130 .324 .446 .588 1.034 2 OUTS AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 182 201 .313 .378 .615 .993 Quentin 147 167 .286 .371 .551 .922 2 OUT RISP AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 63 69 .365 .420 .857 1.277 Quentin 39 47 .282 .404 .513 .917 Close&LATE AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 59 72 .288 .375 .559 .934 Quentin 65 76 .354 .447 .754 1.201 High Lev AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 81 91 .309 .363 .593 .955 Quentin 74 91 .351 .462 .784 1.254 INN 7-9 AB PA AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 123 147 .317 .401 .537 .938 Quentin 119 143 .328 .434 .681 1.114 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) So unbelievable that we're seeing this thread for a guy who originally was slated to not make the team. In a sense was behind Owens, Anderson and Alexei for outfield time. It sucks for him personally, but Owens injury was the best thing that happened to this team this year. Who knows how long it would have taken to get Quentin into the starting lineup if Owens started the year out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 11:55 AM) If you use the "Close and late" split on ESPN, he's in a 4 way MLB-wide tie for 3rd, notably with Carlos Pena, in RBI in those cases He's at 19. Hamilton is at 15, but Quentin actually has 6 more AB's in those spots than JH. An interesting stat that Stark mentioned: Hamilton has had 51 more runners on base than Quentin (261-210). So Hamilton has had 24% more chances for knocking runners in, essentially. No surprise, as he has better hitters hitting ahead of him than CQ does. That helps to explain why Hamilton also has 23% more RBIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 02:13 PM) An interesting stat that Stark mentioned: Hamilton has had 51 more runners on base than Quentin (261-210). So Hamilton has had 24% more chances for knocking runners in, essentially. No surprise, as he has better hitters hitting ahead of him than CQ does. That helps to explain why Hamilton also has 23% more RBIs. A textbook example of why RBI should not be used as a metric to compare players. RBI is the product of a bunch of other factors, the only one a player can control that has a direct effect on RBI total is how many HRs he hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) As it stands, Quentin leads Hamilton in every single meaningful offensive category, plus his team is in first. If things stay the way they are, Quentin looks like the clear winner. But he didn't do drugs, oh wait. I think Hamilton's story is nice, but his past shouldn't affect MVP voting, in my opinion. Edited August 11, 2008 by Sox It To Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I think CQ should get it cause he's been more valuable to his team than Hamilton. Carlos basically carried the team through April and May. Hamilton has Young Kinsler and Bradley helping him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 10:53 AM) So unbelievable that we're seeing this thread for a guy who originally was slated to not make the team. In a sense was behind Owens, Anderson and Alexei for outfield time. I can't tell you how many D'Backs fans were pizzed when that trade was made with what they ended up agreeing on with Byrnes, and the rest of the D'Backs fans are pizzed now whenever Quentin is mentioned on the radio, tv, etc. They loved him here in Phoenix and preferred Byrnes be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 11, 2008 Author Share Posted August 11, 2008 jim thome leads the AL in OPS on the road interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I just made my case for Quentin in the MLB forums on SportingNews, all have which been covered here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 02:58 PM) I just made my case for Quentin in the MLB forums on SportingNews, all have which been covered here. I used to post quite often on TSN. I got tired of the people there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 02:38 PM) I think CQ should get it cause he's been more valuable to his team than Hamilton. Carlos basically carried the team through April and May. Hamilton has Young Kinsler and Bradley helping him.... Carlos has basically carried this team day in and day out. It was just yesterday when you actually felt that the Quentin-Dye-Thome trio is nothing to be messing with. CQ not only leads in most of the offensive categories, but he has done an awesome job in LF. He is a smart player all around and if he keeps it up (which I think he will) he will have the MVP on lockdown. Hamilton has nothing to look forward except racking up all kinds of RBI's, but in Quentin's case he has all kinds of things to look forward to if the team can clinch the Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Aug 11, 2008 -> 02:13 PM) As it stands, Quentin leads Hamilton in every single meaningful offensive category, plus his team is in first. If things stay the way they are, Quentin looks like the clear winner. But he didn't do drugs, oh wait. I think Hamilton's story is nice, but his past shouldn't affect MVP voting, in my opinion. Yeah, don't they have an award like, uh, oh I don't know... "comeback player of the year" for that??? SFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Josh Hamilton was addicted to heroin. Heroin was addicted to Carlos Quentin. "Hello, my name is Heroin, and I'm a Carlos Quentinaholic." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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