5th Starter

[Harry Chappas]

If the White Sox skip the 5th starter and use Vazquez, Buerhle, Danks and Floyd on four days rest the rest of the way, the 5th starter will face the following schedule;

 

Home v. Seattle

Road v. Baltimore

Road v. Cleveland

Home v. Toronto

Home v. Detroit (will miss the Yankees on the road)

Road v. KC (will miss Minnesota road series)

Home v. Cleveland

 

Not sure this is the best thing for the other four starters but it is an option.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Jenks Heat

[GreatScott82]

If the White Sox skip the 5th starter and use Vazquez, Buerhle, Danks and Floyd on four days rest the rest of the way, the 5th starter will face the following schedule;

 

Home v. Seattle

Road v. Baltimore

Road v. Cleveland

Home v. Toronto

Home v. Detroit (will miss the Yankees on the road)

Road v. KC (will miss Minnesota road series)

Home v. Cleveland

 

Not sure this is the best thing for the other four starters but it is an option.

Either way the 5th starter BETTER miss that series. And yea keeping that 5th starter at home is a good idea. Good way of thinking Jenks

[Gregory Pratt]

I'd love to see a four-starter rotation but it's not going to happen.

[Metz]

Its good but the August 21st and 28th off days can change this schedule for the 5th starter

[MEANS]

why would we do this? everyone has been concerned with Floyd and Danks inning totals, and this would increase them.

[thedoctor]

why would we do this? everyone has been concerned with Floyd and Danks inning totals, and this would increase them.

 

this would be my concern and i definitely would not advocate going with a straight four-man rotation the rest of the way.

 

but i think you can be creative with it when you take off-days into consideration. i don't want floyd and danks throwing extra innings, but if you can work it where buehrle or vaz pick up and extra outing or two and have broadway or someone else in where needed, you can probably make it to october without totally killing your chances.

[YASNY]

this would be my concern and i definitely would not advocate going with a straight four-man rotation the rest of the way.

 

but i think you can be creative with it when you take off-days into consideration. i don't want floyd and danks throwing extra innings, but if you can work it where buehrle or vaz pick up and extra outing or two and have broadway or someone else in where needed, you can probably make it to october without totally killing your chances.

 

I absolutely agree with you. Right now their respective pitching arms and future are worth more than what happens this year. If we make the playoffs, and progress we will need those two arms.

[Harry Chappas]

Its good but the August 21st and 28th off days can change this schedule for the 5th starter

 

You skip the 5th starter and go with the other 4 on 4 days rest the rest of the year. You use the off days to push back the fifth starter.

 

This is not a four man rotation and what teams with aces do all of the time.

 

This is where the 1-5 starter mentality comes from. Everyone is skipped to get the number 1 pitcher in there.

 

Again the workload on Danks and Floyd could be an issue.

[RME JICO]

If the White Sox skip the 5th starter and use Vazquez, Buerhle, Danks and Floyd on four days rest the rest of the way, the 5th starter will face the following schedule;

If the Sox skip the 5th starter the rest of the way, he won't face anyone.

[Harry Chappas]

By pitching Richard Monday instead of Floyd who would have been on a normal 4 days rest, Richard will face Boston Sunday unless they flip him and Floyd (who will also have 4 days rest by Sunday) then Richard will face Cleveland next week.

 

I'd rather have Floyd more rested to face Boston than Baltimore but he Sox usually do not skip or push guys back.

Edited August 27, 2008 by Jenks Heat

[NYSox35]

By pitching Richard Monday instead of Floyd who would have been on a normal 4 days rest, Richard will face Boston Sunday unless they flip him and Floyd (who will also have 4 days rest by Sunday) then Richard will face Cleveland next week.

 

I'd rather have Floyd more rested to face Boston than Baltimore but he Sox usually do not skip or push guys back.

 

I didn't get that either...I expected Floyd Mon on normal rest, but hopefully they have the sense to throw him in Boston on Sunday (also on normal rest)

[Jeremy]

I'm all about protecting the young guys' arms but how many additional starts would it add it we skip the fifth starter when an off day allows us to do so? I'm guessing it's one to two additional starts. If we pull away down the stretch, you can give them more rest.

[stretchstretch]

I'm all about protecting the young guys' arms but how many additional starts would it add it we skip the fifth starter when an off day allows us to do so? I'm guessing it's one to two additional starts. If we pull away down the stretch, you can give them more rest.

 

 

protecting the arm of a 25 yr old for the playoffs doesn't count if you don't make the playoffs. this team GOTZ to put its best forward for ultra-critical games (like Boston in Fenway). people, we're talking about a half game situation being the difference between staying home in october

[knightni]

Is Pinella still resting Zambrano for Game 7?

[RockRaines]

Also, 5th starter for next year should be a question mark as well.

 

My Vote: Bobby Jenks returns to his roots as a starter.

[NYSox35]

Also, 5th starter for next year should be a question mark as well.

 

My Vote: Bobby Jenks returns to his roots as a starter.

 

It won't be once the season starts.

Kenny always gives us a solid 1-5 since our title year.

Either he'll decide one of our other kids is ready, or make a move.

 

Can't see that making sense w/ Jenks personally. Why mess w/ his

great run as closer?

[ptatc]

Also, 5th starter for next year should be a question mark as well.

 

My Vote: Bobby Jenks returns to his roots as a starter.

 

The screw in his elbow would explode.

 

[RockRaines]

Can't see that making sense w/ Jenks personally. Why mess w/ his

great run as closer?

Because SP's are more valuable than closers. Bobby was a starter his whole career until he came here, he could move back to that role, especially now that his command has improved and he's become a pitcher instead of a thrower.

[Balta1701]

Because SP's are more valuable than closers. Bobby was a starter his whole career until he came here, he could move back to that role, especially now that his command has improved and he's become a pitcher instead of a thrower.

Bobby as a starter was a bad idea when the Angels did it and they'd have to be idiots not to have realized it. The moment he came up everyone who watched the games could see it...he loses about 4-5 mph off his fastball after an inning or two. His arm isn't built to do long duration, it's holding up well in short bursts, and with him already having a screw in his arm there's no way anyone should ever, ever think of moving him to starting.

[RockRaines]

Bobby as a starter was a bad idea when the Angels did it and they'd have to be idiots not to have realized it. The moment he came up everyone who watched the games could see it...he loses about 4-5 mph off his fastball after an inning or two. His arm isn't built to do long duration, it's holding up well in short bursts, and with him already having a screw in his arm there's no way anyone should ever, ever think of moving him to starting.

2 questions for you

 

 

1. Are you saying the 2008 Bobby Jenks is the same as the Jenks with the Angels? Because they are two very different players. This Bobby is a pitcher who already has TAKEN 4-5 mph of his fastball, and has added 3 others to his arsenal.

 

2. True or False: Pitching on regular rest in the rotation is better for the arm than pitching out of the pen irregularly.

[Balta1701]

2 questions for you

 

 

1. Are you saying the 2008 Bobby Jenks is the same as the Jenks with the Angels? Because they are two very different players. This Bobby is a pitcher who already has TAKEN 4-5 mph of his fastball, and has added 3 others to his arsenal.

 

2. True or False: Pitching on regular rest in the rotation is better for the arm than pitching out of the pen irregularly.

No, I'm not saying the Bobby Jenks now is the same one as with the Angels...but I am saying that Bobby's history was that he was not in good form to be a starter.

 

And secondly...the answer is "It depends on the pitcher". John Smoltz for example always had doctors suggesting he flip back and forth between the rotation and the bullpen because of how the recovery from his surgery was going.

[RockRaines]

No, I'm not saying the Bobby Jenks now is the same one as with the Angels...but I am saying that Bobby's history was that he was not in good form to be a starter.

 

And secondly...the answer is "It depends on the pitcher". John Smoltz for example always had doctors suggesting he flip back and forth between the rotation and the bullpen because of how the recovery from his surgery was going.

IMO most of his failure was his ability to be a pitcher instead of a thrower. He had zero command of any pitch, couldnt induce contact for grounders, and really didnt know what to throw in situations other than try and blow a fastball by a hitter.

 

This Jenks has 4 different fastballs and moves them all over the plate. He has a splitter, a slider, a change and a hammer. He has the ability to induce contact for grounders and also strike people out. IM not saying this is something we SHOULD do, but its not totally out of the question. Jenks could be a #1 starter for this team, he has that ability.

[Dick Allen]

Because SP's are more valuable than closers. Bobby was a starter his whole career until he came here, he could move back to that role, especially now that his command has improved and he's become a pitcher instead of a thrower.

Guys with screws in their elbows shouldn't be pitching 175-200 innings a year. Jenks is far more valuable as a closer than he would be as a starter.

[RockRaines]

Guys with screws in their elbows shouldn't be pitching 175-200 innings a year. Jenks is far more valuable as a closer than he would be as a starter.

So you dont think he would be a good starter?

[Dick Allen]

So you dont think he would be a good starter?

Nope. He may have a few good starts here and there, but its not worth the risk. Goose Gossage was tried as a starter, and he went from a dominating reliever who could throw multiple innings, to a below average starter. Eckersley was a great starter at one time, but he was done until he became a dominant reliever. Derek Lowe did well going from a reliever to starter, but I have a hard time believing Jenks would hold up with the extra workload. The screw and his tendency to put on weight during the season would make me wonder. Keep him where he's at. I don't think his career will be long anyway, but you might as well have a guy at the end of the game you can confidently say will get people out. Unless you really had an unbelievable need for a starter, and you had a young stud who could close, I don't know why it would even be considered.

Edited August 28, 2008 by Dick Allen