JPN366 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 (edited) Per the GM of the Barons, the deadline to demote players from Charlotte was 8/15. So, we can't get David Cook back for the playoffs. Maybe a September call-up for the White Sox though. Edited August 21, 2008 by JPN366 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 If DeWaine Wise is out for any period of time due to his abductor injury... which is very possible... Who might the Sox call up to replace him? Conventional thinking says Owens. But I can picture Cook getting a September callup and getting a little playing time too... If for no other reason than they have to either add him to the 40-man roster or potentially lose him in the Rule 5 draft this fall. And if they add him to the 40-man roster, why not call him up and give the big league coaches an opportunity to help make a decision on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 09:47 PM) If DeWaine Wise is out for any period of time due to his abductor injury... which is very possible... Who might the Sox call up to replace him? Conventional thinking says Owens. But I can picture Cook getting a September callup and getting a little playing time too... If for no other reason than they have to either add him to the 40-man roster or potentially lose him in the Rule 5 draft this fall. And if they add him to the 40-man roster, why not call him up and give the big league coaches an opportunity to help make a decision on him? I would guess it would be a pitcher they'd call up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Yeah, we dont really need another position player as much as an extra arm. That being said I definitely wouldnt mind Cook being up in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 10:38 PM) Yeah, we dont really need another position player as much as an extra arm. That being said I definitely wouldnt mind Cook being up in September. I would, he's not very good. The last thing this team needs is another outfielder. If anything, call up Owens for pr purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) If anything, call up Owens for pr purposes. "South side of Chicago riots as Carlos Quentin benched for a month in the middle of a playoff race..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 03:42 PM) I would, he's not very good. The last thing this team needs is another outfielder. If anything, call up Owens for pr purposes. Because you've seen him so many times, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 02:47 PM) If DeWaine Wise is out for any period of time due to his abductor injury... which is very possible... Who might the Sox call up to replace him? Conventional thinking says Owens. But I can picture Cook getting a September callup and getting a little playing time too... If for no other reason than they have to either add him to the 40-man roster or potentially lose him in the Rule 5 draft this fall. And if they add him to the 40-man roster, why not call him up and give the big league coaches an opportunity to help make a decision on him? If Wise goes on the D-L, I'd guess that Broadway would be called up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 12:13 AM) Because you've seen him so many times, right? No, but people that have seen him realize that he's not a prospect. Have you seen him? The one time I saw him on NESN, he looked very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) No, but people that have seen him realize that he's not a prospect. Have you seen him? The one time I saw him on NESN, he looked very bad. I have not seen him, so judgement on him is still pending for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 02:16 PM) Per the GM of the Barons, the deadline to demote players from Charlotte was 8/15. So, we can't get David Cook back for the playoffs. Maybe a September call-up for the White Sox though. What exactly does the GM for a minor league team do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) No, but people that have seen him realize that he's not a prospect. Have you seen him? The one time I saw him on NESN, he looked very bad. Why would it be such a big deal, rosters expand can bring up both him and Owens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 05:37 PM) No, but people that have seen him realize that he's not a prospect. Have you seen him? The one time I saw him on NESN, he looked very bad. Soooo... the one time you saw him he sucked, eh? I guess we should just ignore the fact he's had over a .900 OPS two years in a row then. (Sorry... not vicious sarcasm... just mild.) JPN knows a fair bit about him since he has season tickets to the Barons games. I'm sure he'll chime in on the subject soon. Edited August 22, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 02:55 AM) Soooo... the one time you saw him he sucked, eh? I guess we should just ignore the fact he's had over a .900 OPS two years in a row then. (Sorry... not vicious sarcasm... just mild.) JPN knows a fair bit about him since he has season tickets to the Barons games. I'm sure he'll chime in on the subject soon. The report I got was from someone who saw him play 8 times over the last 2 months. All opinions on his ability aside, I just don't see the need to call up 2 outfielders at the call-up deadline. It's hard enough to get Anderson some at-bats. I hope they do call up a 3rd catcher, as that would allow Ozzie to pr late in the game. I have no clue who would be the 3rd catcher (Armstrong?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 When you take Cook outside of the friendly Charlotte ballpark, he has a .380 slugging percentage in 121 triple a at bats on the road. He still has a .270/.366/.430/.796 in triple a which isn't bad, but at age 27 with no major league experience you have to do better than that to get a shot at the big leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 08:04 PM) When you take Cook outside of the friendly Charlotte ballpark, he has a .380 slugging percentage in 121 triple a at bats on the road. He still has a .270/.366/.430/.796 in triple a which isn't bad, but at age 27 with no major league experience you have to do better than that to get a shot at the big leagues. Didnt he start the season in high A? The fact that he dominated 2 leagues and put up avg. numbers in a 3rd I think your doing just fine. Yes I understand he is 27 but still thats huge jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 09:00 PM) I hope they do call up a 3rd catcher, as that would allow Ozzie to pr late in the game. I have no clue who would be the 3rd catcher (Armstrong?). Armstrong and Phillips have both done well for Charlotte. How do you pick? One lefty... one righty. Armstrong is on the 40-man. Phillips has MLB experience. Not sure what the team feels is most important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 09:04 PM) When you take Cook outside of the friendly Charlotte ballpark, he has a .380 slugging percentage in 121 triple a at bats on the road. He still has a .270/.366/.430/.796 in triple a which isn't bad, but at age 27 with no major league experience you have to do better than that to get a shot at the big leagues. Oh come on... He just got promoted to AAA after the first half of the minor league season ended. Then at Charlotte he's had a phenomenal June... a bad July... and a good August. At Birmingham, he KILLED the ball. (no charlotte park factors involved): .313 BA; .467 OBP; .577 SLG; 1.044 OPS Stats in 2007 (most of the year in W-S and a short year-ending stint at Birmingham): .282; .388; .531; .919 So, the track record is positive... and regarding his age... he is younger than Jerry Owens. Edited August 22, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 03:30 AM) Oh come on... He just got promoted to AAA after the first half of the minor league season ended. Then at Charlotte he's had a phenomenal June... a bad July... and a good August. At Birmingham, he KILLED the ball. (no charlotte park factors involved): .313 BA; .467 OBP; .577 SLG; 1.044 OPS Stats in 2007 (most of the year in W-S and a short year-ending stint at Birmingham): .282; .388; .531; .919 So, the track record is positive... and regarding his age... he is younger than Jerry Owens. cook's got a chance to make it as a 4th OF. i've read scouts comparing him to warren newson, so at least someone who gets paid to evaluate prospects thinks he might have a big-league career. but he hardly seems worth arguing about. seems to be a lotta love on the board lately for oldish fringe guys who have very little chance to make it and almost no chance to be MLB regulars. i guess maybe it's just a product of us having so few potential impact guys in the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (False Alarm @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 04:52 AM) cook's got a chance to make it as a 4th OF. i've read scouts comparing him to warren newson, so at least someone who gets paid to evaluate prospects thinks he might have a big-league career. but he hardly seems worth arguing about. seems to be a lotta love on the board lately for oldish fringe guys who have very little chance to make it and almost no chance to be MLB regulars. i guess maybe it's just a product of us having so few potential impact guys in the system. Good thing we never had Calvin Pickering in our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I've seen Cook play, albeit it was before he ever came on, and he wasn't anyone that stood out athletically. That said many guys have late developments and turn into solid bench players but thats about all I could see Cook turning into (and there is nothing to be ashamed of in that, imo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (False Alarm @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 10:52 PM) seems to be a lotta love on the board lately for oldish fringe guys who have very little chance to make it and almost no chance to be MLB regulars. Like... who? QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 11:09 PM) I've seen Cook play, albeit it was before he ever came on, and he wasn't anyone that stood out athletically. That said many guys have late developments and turn into solid bench players but thats about all I could see Cook turning into (and there is nothing to be ashamed of in that, imo). 100% agree. I don't expect him to be a star. My original point was about potentially bringing him up to see what we have in him rather than simply kicking him to the Rule 5 draft curb. Seems to be a reasonable thing to do when a guy has been reasonably successful in a team's system. And he has been very successful his last two years in the system... in a relatively normal year-to-year progression too. (no lateral moves. only one repeat year). Edited August 22, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Youd' have to add him to the 40 and I don't believe the Sox will do that. Than again, they might, but considering this club will be in contention I find it hard pressed that he'd get any time and that any call-ups will be brought up for a particular skill-set (ie, defense or pinch-running or the ability to get righties or lefties out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 05:20 AM) Like... who? i dunno man. paiml. retherford. kendall and greene at bristol. think i've seen someone talk about how lucky we are to be stacked with talent like mollenhauer in our middle infield. i mean, peeps enjoy the minors in different ways so it's all good talking about these types of guys. they've just gotten more attention than i'd expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 What about signing Independent League guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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