Gregory Pratt Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I nominated Mike Marshall, Cy Young Award winner in 1974: W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP 15 12 106 0 0 0 83 21 208.3 191 66 56 9 56 143 1 5 857 1 3 2.42 3.41 141 1.186 MVP-3,CYA-1,AS (That doesn't mean I'd vote for him. Just a nomination.) What do you nominate / vote for, and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 Also, this is really interesting. From here: Here are the best relief seasons, according to the Baseball Prospectus stat WXRL, which is expected wins added over a replacement-level pitcher and adjusted for level of opposing hitters. 1. John Hiller, 1973 Tigers (9.64) 10-5, 38 saves, 1.44 ERA, 125.1 IP, 89 H, 39 BB, 124 SO 2. Eric Gagne, 2003 Dodgers (9.24) 2-3, 55 saves, 1.20 ERA, 82.1 IP, 37 H, 20 BB, 137 SO 3. Willie Hernandez, 2004 Tigers (9.14) 9-3, 32 saves, 1.92 ERA, 140.1 IP, 96 H, 36 BB, 112 SO 4. Stu Miller, 1965 Orioles (8.96) 14-7, 24 saves, 1.89 ERA, 119.1 IP, 87 H, 32 BB, 104 SO 5. Troy Percival, 1996 Angels (8.31) 0-2, 36 saves, 2.31 ERA, 74 IP, 38 H, 31 BB, 100 SO 6. Trevor Hoffman, 1998 Padres (8.29) 4-2, 53 saves, 1.48 ERA, 73 IP, 41 H, 21 BB, 86 SO 7. Keith Foulke, 2000 White Sox (8.21) 3-1, 34 saves, 2.97 ERA, 88 IP, 66 H, 22 BB, 91 SO 8. Eric Gagne, 2002 Dodgers (8.20) 4-1, 52 saves, 1.97 ERA, 82.1 IP, 55 H, 16 BB, 114 SO 9. Dan Quisenberry, 1980 Royals (8.20) 12-7, 33 saves, 3.09 ERA, 128.1 IP, 27 BB, 37 SO 10. Brad Lidge, 2004 Astros (8.10) 6-5, 29 saves, 1.90 ERA, 94.2 IP, 57 H, 30 BB, 157 SO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Gagne, in 2003, was damn near unhittable. I mean teams probably thought there was no way they were scoring on him, he would be my choice as that season was just sick. I mean 15 Ks per 9 inn, an almost 7:1 KK to BB ratio, 1.20 ERA, .133 BAA and a 55/55 in saves. Those are literally Nintendo numbers, granted he was probably aided by PEDs but damn, it was the best season for a reliever IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted August 22, 2008 Author Share Posted August 22, 2008 He was fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 07:32 PM) Also, this is really interesting. From here: Here are the best relief seasons, according to the Baseball Prospectus stat WXRL, which is expected wins added over a replacement-level pitcher and adjusted for level of opposing hitters. 1. John Hiller, 1973 Tigers (9.64) 10-5, 38 saves, 1.44 ERA, 125.1 IP, 89 H, 39 BB, 124 SO 2. Eric Gagne, 2003 Dodgers (9.24) 2-3, 55 saves, 1.20 ERA, 82.1 IP, 37 H, 20 BB, 137 SO 3. Willie Hernandez, 2004 Tigers (9.14) 9-3, 32 saves, 1.92 ERA, 140.1 IP, 96 H, 36 BB, 112 SO 4. Stu Miller, 1965 Orioles (8.96) 14-7, 24 saves, 1.89 ERA, 119.1 IP, 87 H, 32 BB, 104 SO 5. Troy Percival, 1996 Angels (8.31) 0-2, 36 saves, 2.31 ERA, 74 IP, 38 H, 31 BB, 100 SO 6. Trevor Hoffman, 1998 Padres (8.29) 4-2, 53 saves, 1.48 ERA, 73 IP, 41 H, 21 BB, 86 SO 7. Keith Foulke, 2000 White Sox (8.21) 3-1, 34 saves, 2.97 ERA, 88 IP, 66 H, 22 BB, 91 SO 8. Eric Gagne, 2002 Dodgers (8.20) 4-1, 52 saves, 1.97 ERA, 82.1 IP, 55 H, 16 BB, 114 SO 9. Dan Quisenberry, 1980 Royals (8.20) 12-7, 33 saves, 3.09 ERA, 128.1 IP, 27 BB, 37 SO 10. Brad Lidge, 2004 Astros (8.10) 6-5, 29 saves, 1.90 ERA, 94.2 IP, 57 H, 30 BB, 157 SO I'm surprised Eckersley isn't in the top 10. He had some dominant seasons as a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (gosox41 @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 09:29 PM) I'm surprised Eckersley isn't in the top 10. He had some dominant seasons as a closer. Uh, yeah. In 1990, 0.61 ERA 73K to 4BB 48 Saves, 5 ER for the whole year?!!!??!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 11:10 PM) Uh, yeah. In 1990, 0.61 ERA 73K to 4BB 48 Saves, 5 ER for the whole year?!!!??!?!?! That is just unreal. 4 walks and 5 ER the whole year! That is about as good as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Either Gagne ('03) or Eck ('90). Both of their seasons were ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Eck in 1990, only 45 baserunners in 73 innings is ridiculous with a WHIP of 0.61. His 5 year run from 88-92 may be the most dominant stretch ever for a reliever: 359.2 IP, 1.90 ERA, 0.70 WHIP, 247 H, 76 ER, 38 BB, 378K and 220 Saves in 5 seasons. Also, a 5 time All-Star, AL MVP, and Cy Young in that period while winning a World Series to boot. How about the 2003 Houston Astros bullpen having Billy Wagner, Octavio Dotel and Brad Lidge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 21, 2008 -> 06:38 PM) Gagne, in 2003, was damn near unhittable. I mean teams probably thought there was no way they were scoring on him, he would be my choice as that season was just sick. I mean 15 Ks per 9 inn, an almost 7:1 KK to BB ratio, 1.20 ERA, .133 BAA and a 55/55 in saves. Those are literally Nintendo numbers, granted he was probably aided by PEDs but damn, it was the best season for a reliever IMO. Agreed...no one even comes close to 2003 Gagne. Although 90 Eck was pretty damn filthy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I gotta give it to '90 Eck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 I think 90 ECK was amazing, but what Gagne did was in an even more offensive era than 1990. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 12:22 PM) I think 90 ECK was amazing, but what Gagne did was in an even more offensive era than 1990. Yes, but Gagne was evening the score so to speak. And he was only 'even' against the Sosa's and McGuire's that were out there. Against the rest ..... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 22, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) Yes, but Gagne was evening the score so to speak. And he was only 'even' against the Sosa's and McGuire's that were out there. Against the rest ..... ? Yes , I know the years don't match up with the players, but the point is made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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