southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) Traditional Roll-Call: Interesting that it is good enough for the convention, but not for union votes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 05:20 PM) Nope. Because it's not over yet. CNN had a body language expert to show that Hillary wasn't really supporting Obama, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 There is this crap floating around that "body language experts" say that Hillary wasnt REALLY supporting Barack. And to mock that a little: Greg Sargent: "Breaking: Secret footage reveals Hillary delivered non-endorsement by blinking it in morse code!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) Not even close. The Repubs pulled McCains support and propped up another candidate against him. They sure as heck haven't had anywhere NEAR the public bile for McCain that Joe has gotten from the Dems. The ire is at par with the level of perceived variance from the party platform. McCain hasn't gone as far off the ranch as Lieberman did. I don't think there is a significant difference between the parties on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 11:22 AM) CNN had a body language expert to show that Hillary wasn't really supporting Obama, lol. "body language experts" are like shrinks. They go to school for years, ask you to pay lots of money then just give you BS answers to make you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 01:18 PM) Not even close. The Repubs pulled McCains support and propped up another candidate against him. They sure as heck haven't had anywhere NEAR the public bile for McCain that Joe has gotten from the Dems. Maybe my example was poor, maybe it wasn't, but my point remains that if a Republican senator had done and said the equivalent of what Liebermann has, their reaction would be the same. Understandably and predictably so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 09:25 AM) Maybe my example was poor, maybe it wasn't, but my point remains that if a Republican senator had done and said the equivalent of what Liebermann has, their reaction would be the same. Understandably and predictably so. Not an exact parallel, but I've found it quite interesting how little coverage there has been of the Republican Congressman the Dems had speaking on Monday who endorsed Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 05:28 PM) Not an exact parallel, but I've found it quite interesting how little coverage there has been of the Republican Congressman the Dems had speaking on Monday who endorsed Obama. I was really frustrated by coverage of that speech. People basically lambasted it as being boring and the pundits were like "why is this on" (like their talking is oh, so interesting) when Leach had a very academic speech about the qualities and contributions of both parties. It hit the theme of unity and transcendent politics that Obama would want, but because the guy talks like kermit the frog he was made fun of as boring. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 11:24 AM) The ire is at par with the level of perceived variance from the party platform. McCain hasn't gone as far off the ranch as Lieberman did. I don't think there is a significant difference between the parties on this one. I don't think Jim Jeffords even got the same venom that Lieberman has gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 (edited) I think Hillary actually appeared to be supporting Obama last night. However, I also think that she believes Obama can't win without her. I'm not sure if Obama would have won with her either, but I think her general point that Obama isn't going to win is right. Edited August 27, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) "body language experts" are like shrinks. They go to school for years, ask you to pay lots of money then just give you BS answers to make you feel better. Well maybe I picked up on the body language thing. But actually listening to what she said. I still say her 'support' was tepid at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:38 PM) Well maybe I picked up on the body language thing. But actually listening to what she said. I still say her 'support' was tepid at best. I don't think you're necessarily wrong but I think she did exactly what was necessary for Obama in terms of getting some of those votes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 My friend is a hardcore hillary supporter, and I think from his point of view, he needed the closure, and he needed the reassertion of why he supported her in the first place and why he should vote for Obama. So in that regards, to us, two obama supporters and a conservative, the speech might have not been as pro-obama as we'd expect (not me I thought it was fine), but to the people it was aimed at pushing towards Obama, I think it was very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) I don't think you're necessarily wrong but I think she did exactly what was necessary for Obama in terms of getting some of those votes back. She did exactly what she had to do. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:39 PM) I don't think you're necessarily wrong but I think she did exactly what was necessary for Obama in terms of getting some of those votes back. Oh for sure she did that, that is why I said it was a good speech last night. She also came across much more likable than I'd ever seen her. However, that doesn't change the fact that she still clearly thinks that she can win the presidency one day, and that she thinks Obama can't win without her, and I'd have a hard time arguing with either point right now (although I'm not sure if he can win in general). Edited August 27, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:34 PM) I don't think Jim Jeffords even got the same venom that Lieberman has gotten. Jeffords? the independent from NH or VT or whatever? He was seen as a wacko, and that was a different time, when each party had subsects that were still considered valid parts of their parties. Nowadays, its party line or none at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:47 PM) Oh for sure she did that, that is why I said it was a good speech last night. She also came across much more likable than I'd ever seen her. However, that doesn't change the fact that she still clearly thinks that she can win the presidency one day, and that she thinks Obama can't win without her, and I'd have a hard time arguing with either point right now (although I'm not sure if he can win in general). I believe, that in this point in time, Hillary would be a lock to beat McCain. I'm not so sure Obama can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:21 PM) Interesting that it is good enough for the convention, but not for union votes... Also did you hear the AFL-CIO cancelled all interviews with press yesterday after Hoffa said some of his members would not support a black candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) I believe, that in this point in time, Hillary would be a lock to beat McCain. I'm not so sure Obama can. I'm not sure she'd be a lock, but she'd be doing a lot better in the polls than Obama is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:31 PM) I'm not sure she'd be a lock, but she'd be doing a lot better in the polls than Obama is. Yes, I'll go along you on this. A lock is pretty strong language. But, unless something extraordinary happens with the roll call vote we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 The videos of her was all with the "Clinton" signs behind her. NONE of them had Obama signs. Symbolic? You bet your ass. This was her convention, and she got outdueled (I still haven't figured out how). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 (edited) http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...n-jabs-oba.html When Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., moves the Democratic National Convention from the Pepsi Center to Invesco Field in Denver on Thursday, the freshman senator is planning to speak from a columned stage resembling an ancient Greek temple. The national anthem will even have a touch of celebrity: Jennifer Hudson, the Oscar-winning actress and former "American Idol" castoff, will perform the honors at the onset of the evening. I already thought that him doing his speech in a different venue than every other democrat at the convention had a nice little touch of arrogance to it, but this is too much. Who does he think he is, Zeus? I swear, sometimes I wonder if Obama is just completely unaware of his weaknesses, or just ignores them. And neither is a good thing. Edited August 27, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...n-jabs-oba.html I already thought that him doing his speech in a different venue than every other democrat at the convention had a nice little touch of arrogance to it, but this is too much. Who does he think he is, Zeus? I swear, sometimes I wonder if Obama is just completely unaware of his weaknesses, or just ignores them. And neither is a good thing. Someone pointed out that it could be a representation of say... the Lincoln Memorial. 2 Reasons For that: Anniversary of "I have a Dream" Lincoln.... Illinois.... Obama... Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 01:47 PM) Someone pointed out that it could be a representation of say... the Lincoln Memorial. 2 Reasons For that: Anniversary of "I have a Dream" Lincoln.... Illinois.... Obama... Illinois. Lincoln .... Republican ... Obama ... not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 01:47 PM) Someone pointed out that it could be a representation of say... the Lincoln Memorial. 2 Reasons For that: Anniversary of "I have a Dream" Lincoln.... Illinois.... Obama... Illinois. That would be a little better, but he ain't Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. either. I'll have to wait and see it for myself, however the fact that ABC even described it that way makes me think it has the more Greek feel to it. Regardless, you know the Dems will say it's the Lincoln Memorial and the GOP will say he's making himself out to be a Greek god. I love the political spin this time of year from both sides. One thing I find interesting is Obama's admiration for Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan. He couldn't be more different than they are politcally. Edited August 27, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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