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QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 11:35 AM)
tied by percentage? huh? lol

 

i was under the assumption that we will have played the same amount of games at that point, as the twins. if that's the case:

 

3 game series vs twins, 1 game lead. lose 2 of 3:

 

game 1 win = 2 game lead

game 2 loss = 1 game lead

game 3 loss = tied for first

 

we would have the same WPCT as the twins.

If the Twins win that series, the season series would be tied (first tiebreaker), but they would have a better division record than us which would give them the tiebreaker if we ended the season with the same record. The point is we need to leave that series with at least a 2 game lead since we play Cleveland for 3 while Minnesota plays KC for 3.

 

I would hate to tie Minnesota, then lose the tiebreaker for the Division and have Boston win the WC. That would be hard to take.

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Wait, don't tie breaker's only come into play where there are multiple spots for the playoffs? As I understand it, if the Sox and Twins are tied for the division and the wild card is already decided (for example Boston is the WC) there would be a tie breaking game because they would battling for one spot. On the other hand, if the Sox and Twins tied for the division but one would take the wild card, then the WC would be determined by the tie breaker.

In other words, if Boston wins the WC, you can't lose the division by tie breaker.

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QUOTE (G&T @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 11:34 AM)
Wait, don't tie breaker's only come into play where there are multiple spots for the playoffs? As I understand it, if the Sox and Twins are tied for the division and the wild card is already decided (for example Boston is the WC) there would be a tie breaking game because they would battling for one spot. On the other hand, if the Sox and Twins tied for the division but one would take the wild card, then the WC would be determined by the tie breaker.

In other words, if Boston wins the WC, you can't lose the division by tie breaker.

what happens if its a 3-way tie? Say the White Sox and Twins finish with 92 wins for a division tie. And the Red Sox finish with 92 wins for a 3-way tie for the wild card. How does that work?

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QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 11:26 AM)
what happens if its a 3-way tie? Say the White Sox and Twins finish with 92 wins for a division tie. And the Red Sox finish with 92 wins for a 3-way tie for the wild card. How does that work?

 

Then the Sox and Twins play a tie breaker and the results of the game are added to the standings, which means the loser of the game is out and the Red Sox are in as the WC.

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QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:26 PM)
what happens if its a 3-way tie? Say the White Sox and Twins finish with 92 wins for a division tie. And the Red Sox finish with 92 wins for a 3-way tie for the wild card. How does that work?

 

All 3 teams play simultaneously in the first ever 27 man baseball game.

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QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:32 PM)
Then the Sox and Twins play a tie breaker and the results of the game are added to the standings, which means the loser of the game is out and the Red Sox are in as the WC.

 

 

Are you sure? I was always under the impression that if something like that happend, the White Sox would play the Twins, with the winner winning the division, and the loser playing the Red Sox for the wild card. I could be wrong.

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QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:32 PM)
Then the Sox and Twins play a tie breaker and the results of the game are added to the standings, which means the loser of the game is out and the Red Sox are in as the WC.

 

Are you sure? I always thought the two teams in the division played a game for the division, with the loser facing the other team for the WC.

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QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:09 PM)
Are you sure? I always thought the two teams in the division played a game for the division, with the loser facing the other team for the WC.

 

No, I'm not 100% sure on this one and I didn't research it. But I think that's the way it is.

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QUOTE (G&T @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 10:34 AM)
Wait, don't tie breaker's only come into play where there are multiple spots for the playoffs? As I understand it, if the Sox and Twins are tied for the division and the wild card is already decided (for example Boston is the WC) there would be a tie breaking game because they would battling for one spot. On the other hand, if the Sox and Twins tied for the division but one would take the wild card, then the WC would be determined by the tie breaker.

In other words, if Boston wins the WC, you can't lose the division by tie breaker.

Correct.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 12:40 PM)
Nah, the Twins and Sox would play each other first and then the loser would play the Red Sox.

 

Didn't this scenario occur a few ............................... yes it did occur a few years ago in the NL and you are correct.

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according to baseball-reference.com (thanx rmejico):

 

Scenario #5: If three Clubs in a League are tied with identical winning percentages at the end of the championship season and two of those tied Clubs are from the same Division and are also tied for first place in that Division and the third tied Club has the highest winning percentage among the second-place Clubs in the remaining two Divisions, the Division Champion shall first be determined by a one-game playoff on Monday, September 29. Any playoff games played to determine a Division champion shall not count in determining which Clubs are deemed tied for a Wild Card designation. Clubs that were originally tied with a Club or Clubs for a Wild Card designation shall still be considered tied.

 

Example of Scenario #5: The Houston Astros, St. Louis Cardinals and Florida Marlins all have identical winning percentages at the end of the championship season. The Astros and Cardinals are tied for first place in the NL Central and the Marlins have the highest winning percentage among the second-place Clubs from the NL East and NL West. The Astros and Cardinals would play a one-game playoff on Monday, September 29. The winner shall be declared the Division Champion. Despite the loss, the losing Club would still be considered tied with the Marlins for the lead in the NL Wild Card. Those two Clubs would play a one-game playoff on Tuesday, September 30. The winner of that game shall be declared the Wild Card.

 

So if the Sox and Twins are tied for the division, they would play a 1 game playoff on Monday, September 29th @ the winner of a coin flip. The winner of that game wins the AL Central. However, the loser gets another chance as they would play the Red Sox for the wildcard on Tuesday, September 30th @ the winner of a coin flip. This would be very very interesting if it shall occur. Lets avoid this and just win the central outright ;)

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