jenksycat Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 QUOTE (SpringfieldFan @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 02:59 PM) You know, if there needs to be an award for "guy that makes the difference and gets his team a ring", that's fine and dandy. However, and I don't care what they call it, but I also want to see an award for the player who's simply the flat out best in the league that year. Is that too much to ask? SFF Then that would be called "The Best Player Award". Most valuable implies that he had the most impact on his team's success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 06:23 PM) Then that would be called "The Best Player Award". Most valuable implies that he had the most impact on his team's success. It's just been repeated enough times that people accept it as fact without challenging it. Nowhere in the words "Most," "Valuable," and "Player" does it say anything about a team. This seems pretty simple to me. A good player = a valuable player. Therefore the best player = the most valuable. With enough good players (you need more than one even if he's the best) you will win games. There is no other way to win baseball games than to have players who are good at baseball. Edited August 26, 2008 by lostfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 04:53 PM) Ask that question to the White Sox as he legs out another infield base hit and robs another HR against us. they'd say he sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 04:53 PM) Ask that question to the White Sox as he legs out another infield base hit and robs another HR against us. Then ask literally any Twins fan here in Minnesota. They'll tell you he's absolutely terrible. Then look at his numbers for yourself. .256/.293/.348 with 118 strikeouts as opposed to only 20 walks. He's been a pathetic player this year, there's no way around that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 05:56 PM) they'd say he sucks .641 OPS not doing it for ya? He isn't even a prolific basestealer like Jacoby Ellsbury. Apparently his defense has been pretty good despite the occasional youngster miscue. He better be pretty spectacular out there because he doesn't seem to do anything else even adequately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 QUOTE (Felix @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 06:15 PM) Then ask literally any Twins fan here in Minnesota. They'll tell you he's absolutely terrible. Then look at his numbers for yourself. .256/.293/.348 with 118 strikeouts as opposed to only 20 walks. He's been a pathetic player this year, there's no way around that. .236/.276/.299/.575 in 288 PA since June 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 Could you imagine how much of a pain in the ass Jerry Owens would be if he was a Twin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 26, 2008 Share Posted August 26, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 06:16 PM) .641 OPS not doing it for ya? He isn't even a prolific basestealer like Jacoby Ellsbury. Apparently his defense has been pretty good despite the occasional youngster miscue. He better be pretty spectacular out there because he doesn't seem to do anything else even adequately. Whether he's been good in CF or not...I haven't been able to watch enough to figure it out, due to working at night...he still looks like a deer in the headlights out there on any play that he can tell is going to be big, especially when he is going back on the ball. He comes in on it pretty well, but he just does not move backwards very well yet. Denard Span, on the other hand, is an absolutely fantastic player and I would argue that his emergence in the absence of Cuddyer this year is perhaps the biggest reason as to why the Twins are competing and that he could very easily be their CFer of the future. If he did steroids or something and added some 20-30 homer power, he'd be a legitimate 5-tool player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 As of right this second: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 128 517 83 154 29 4 29 116 52 101 .298 .362 .538 .900 Quentin 126 466 95 136 25 1 36 100 64 78 .292 .398 .582 .979 Morneau 131 494 78 152 34 3 20 102 67 71 .307 .388 .509 .897 Like I said; it's not particularly close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 that should be easily CQ... if he can raise his average over 300 before the end of the season, then he'll be a lock (as long as he stays healthy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) As of right this second: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS Hamilton 128 514 83 154 29 4 29 116 52 100 .300 .364 .541 .905 Quentin 126 466 95 136 25 1 36 100 64 78 .292 .398 .582 .979 Morneau 131 494 78 152 34 3 20 102 67 71 .308 .389 .510 .899 Like I said; it's not particularly close. His BA is going to hurt him, but more 3-5 nights might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 06:27 PM) .236/.276/.299/.575 in 288 PA since June 1st. I'm well aware. I live in Minneapolis surrounded by Twins fans, who all acknowledge how much he sucks. He's been more than terrible this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonderman38 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I go with Quentin for MVP. Longoria is hoping to be back next week, so if he does well that will help him with ROY. Right now the top candidates are Longoria, Ramirez, and Galarraga(besides the fact he isn't getting much attention)..just by looking at stats.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 15 home runs for Alexi now. I hadn't realized he had been quietly building those those power numbers. He could have over 20 by the time he's done. Well, if nothing else, he has to be near the top in HR's per pound. SFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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