WinningUgly85 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Personally I would much rather have Taveras than Griffey but if we could pick up Fuentes that would really bolster our bulpen. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3554807 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 If we wanted Tavares we could just promote Owens. Fuentes would be nice, but not at the price of Poreda, which is what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) If we wanted Tavares we could just promote Owens. Fuentes would be nice, but not at the price of Poreda, which is what they want. That right there is some biting, concise analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Taveras is better than Owens because he can actually play defense. From everything I've seen, he's a much better fundamental player and would make a much better 4th outfielder. He still sucks though, and he wouldn't get past all of the NL teams, let alone getting to the White Sox. Fuentes is good, but the same waiver rule applies, as he wouldn't get past several NL teams before even getting to the bottom of the AL. This is non-news regarding the White Sox as far as I'm concerned. Fun to talk about all the same though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:46 PM) Taveras is better than Owens because he can actually play defense. From everything I've seen, he's a much better fundamental player and would make a much better 4th outfielder. He still sucks though, and he wouldn't get past all of the NL teams, let alone getting to the White Sox. Fuentes is good, but the same waiver rule applies, as he wouldn't get past several NL teams before even getting to the bottom of the AL. This is non-news regarding the White Sox as far as I'm concerned. Fun to talk about all the same though. Owens can play defense... he just can't throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 ...and there's no frickin' chance they'll make to the White Sox with the current waiver process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) Owens can play defense... he just can't throw. I hope that was a joke comment... all from what I have seen from Owens is bad reads, bad angles, and just overall pretty terrible in the OF. I think Taveras is pretty crappy myself, but he is leaps and bounds better then Owens in every area of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Taveras is crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 09:09 PM) Taveras is crap. He is basically a glorified pinch runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Since the NL gets first dibs on NL players, so I think the only teams we are ahead of in the waiver order are the Angles and the Sawx, so, yeah, there is no way in the world we get a claim in on either guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Fuentes is on bereavement leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:45 PM) That right there is some biting, concise analysis. Indeed, this thread could have been closed after just the original post and the first response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Heard an interesting rumor that Minnesota blocked a trade that we wanted to make for LHP Alan Embree (former Sox pitcher, most connected to the Indians)...interesting. Not sure if we had a chance at blocking them in return when the issue of Guardado came up, probably the Twins were behind us at the time and so would have had the chance to make the claim before the Sox. The Twins' problem isn't "loogys" Reyes/Breslow (both have been quite solid), as apparently the plan is for Guardado to become their primary 8th inning set-up man for Nathan in light of Crain's and Guerrier's recent struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I am sure there is a lot of blocking going on right now... All thought with the way that Clayton Richard has been pitching, the situation is a lot less dire than it could have been. If we could only get a guy to step up as a middle reliever behind Carrasco, we would be in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) If we wanted Tavares we could just promote Owens. Fuentes would be nice, but not at the price of Poreda, which is what they want. +3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:46 PM) Taveras is better than Owens because he can actually play defense. From everything I've seen, he's a much better fundamental player and would make a much better 4th outfielder. He still sucks though, and he wouldn't get past all of the NL teams, let alone getting to the White Sox. Defensively, Brian Anderson > Taveras > Owens. Speed wise, Taveras = Owens. If you need a defensive CF, play Anderson If you need a pinch runner, play Owens when rosters expand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Waiver blocking is a dangerous game. You have to be prepared to pick that guy up if he makes it to your team. I can't imagine the Sox would want Guardado for any reason, so why block? And here's what Taveras does that's better than anyone on the Sox right now...bunt. You want speed? You got Owens. You want defense? You got BA. You want someone who can move a player over...that would be Taveras. But that certainly isn't enough to pick him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Aug 26, 2008 -> 07:53 PM) I hope that was a joke comment... all from what I have seen from Owens is bad reads, bad angles, and just overall pretty terrible in the OF. I think Taveras is pretty crappy myself, but he is leaps and bounds better then Owens in every area of the game. Not a joke at all. Arm aside, Owens is a decent CF. Certainly a lot better than Swish (not that that's saying a lot). Problem is the noodle arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 The biggest surprise in this thread to me is the Rockies putting people on waivers. They're only 6 games out in that terrible division. Taveras helps them a lot when he gets on base with his 60 some stolen bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 09:24 AM) The biggest surprise in this thread to me is the Rockies putting people on waivers. They're only 6 games out in that terrible division. Taveras helps them a lot when he gets on base with his 60 some stolen bases. All teams put a s***load of players on waivers at this time of year. A player can't be traded if he doesn't clear waivers. If he's claimed, the team can just pull him back off of waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 09:24 AM) The biggest surprise in this thread to me is the Rockies putting people on waivers. They're only 6 games out in that terrible division. Taveras helps them a lot when he gets on base with his 60 some stolen bases. EVERYONE goes on to waviers at this time of year, from superstars down to the 25th man. Its all a part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (YASNY @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 10:26 AM) All teams put a s***load of players on waivers at this time of year. A player can't be traded if he doesn't clear waivers. If he's claimed, the team can just pull him back off of waivers. If they have no desire of getting rid of someone, what's the reason for putting them on waivers in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 10:32 AM) If they have no desire of getting rid of someone, what's the reason for putting them on waivers in the first place? everyone can be had for a price. Why not find out what other teams are willing to shell out? Plus, waiver non-deals can be revisited in the offseason without as many waiver constrictions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Aug 27, 2008 -> 09:32 AM) If they have no desire of getting rid of someone, what's the reason for putting them on waivers in the first place? To mask the players they are trying to trade, so that they aren't claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 ok, that makes sense guys. This waiver stuff just annoys me, most players we hear on it don't get traded, then out of the blue someone like Guardado gets traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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