McCain chooses Palin for VP

[Nokona]

This woman has a bachelor's in journalism from Idaho. She has no other degree

 

She would not be the pick if she was not a woman.

Edited August 29, 2008 by Nokona

[BigSqwert]

So are you saying that there's a good chance that McCain will suddenly drop dead in the next four years? His 96-year-old mother, who has been on the road campaigning for him, sort of suggests otherwise. Geez, even Dick Cheney is still alive and fully-functioning.

I'd have to think that an individual's odds of living another year decrease significantly after the age of 70. His mother living into her 90s is a good sign but it doesn't guarantee anything. Dick Cheney is irrelevant in the conversation.

Edited August 29, 2008 by BigSqwert

[WCSox]

I'll be honest...I haven't been hearing a lot of talk that Obama shows poor judgment. Experience was his big achilles heal.

 

You must've missed the Bill Ayers ads, the massive media criticism over his association with Jeremiah Wright, and the ads where Obama dismisses Iran as a "tiny country."

 

You're absolutely right that McCain played the "experience" card and can no longer do so. My argument is that was more important for McCain to distance himself from Bush and attract the blue-collar vote. I believe that he addressed both this morning.

 

[WCSox]

I'd have to think that an individual's odds of living another year decrease significantly after the age of 70.

 

My unbiased opinion is that 67 is the magic number. :oldrolleyes

 

They're both relatively old and it's silly to argue that one is more of a health risk than the other.

 

[lostfan]

Oh wow, there is no one I'm reading through this thread. at least 14 pages of snark and meaningless posts.

Not really, there is some worthwhile discussion here.

 

However, your second post in this thread falls into that category fwiw.

[GoSox05]

You must've missed the Bill Ayers ads, the massive media criticism over his association with Jeremiah Wright, and the ads where Obama dismisses Iran as a "tiny country."

 

You're absolutely right that McCain played the "experience" card and can no longer do so. My argument is that was more important for McCain to distance himself from Bush and attract the blue-collar vote. I believe that he addressed both this morning.

 

 

How does Sarah Palin attract a large blue collar vote?

[mr_genius]

Not really, there is some worthwhile discussion here.

 

However, your second post in this thread falls into that category fwiw.

 

which category? worth while or not?

[DukeNukeEm]

I wonder how much more we'll see of the "Rockstar Obama" attacks when McCain picked a fracking beauty queen.

[lostfan]

which category? worth while or not?

There was a very subtle insult of some peoples' intelligence in that post that doesn't even engage the conversation that was going on.

 

"the Not worthwhile" category, btw.

Edited August 29, 2008 by lostfan

[DukeNukeEm]

How does Sarah Palin attract a large blue collar vote?

Centerfold spreads.

[WCSox]

How does Sarah Palin attract a large blue collar vote?

 

Her and her family are not multi-millionaires, they don't have Ivy League educations, her husband works as a fisherman, they have several children, they hunt, they're not socially liberal, etc. That's a big chunk of the blue collar demographic.

 

[FlaSoxxJim]

How does Sarah Palin attract a large blue collar vote?

 

Her husband is an oilfield roughneck. I assume he'll vote for her so that's an increase of at least one.

[NorthSideSox72]

I would have been livid had he picked Romney or Huckabee. I could have lived with Pawlenty. And the roles were almost reversed. I seem to recall Tim Kaine as very high on the potentail list. Less there than with Sarah, but nary a peep in the negative from anyone here.

Ya know, strange as this sounds, I would have liked Huckabee. He's got a positivistic appeal, like Obama has, and that is something that most of the GOP candidates lacked. Its something that appeals to the masses. And as a Governor, I got the impression he actually was pretty good at compromise with his legislature of both parties. Plus he has executive experience, and was moderate on the environment and energy, which works well with McCain too.

 

Huckabee is not ideal of course - he's got some issues. But I think he would have been more valuable than Romney, or Palin.

 

[mr_genius]

There was a very subtle insult of some peoples' intelligence in that post that doesn't even engage the conversation that was going on.

 

"the Not worthwhile" category, btw.

 

Well, I wasn't trying to insult anyone.

[WCSox]

Ya know, strange as this sounds, I would have liked Huckabee. He's got a positivistic appeal, like Obama has, and that is something that most of the GOP candidates lacked. Its something that appeals to the masses. And as a Governor, I got the impression he actually was pretty good at compromise with his legislature of both parties. Plus he has executive experience, and was moderate on the environment and energy, which works well with McCain too.

 

Huckabee is not ideal of course - he's got some issues. But I think he would have been more valuable than Romney, or Palin.

 

If demographics weren't a consideration, I agree. But he may not have garnered the soccer mom vote, which is what almost certainly tipped it towards Palin.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Centerfold spreads.

This, and the MILF post earlier, are the snark and B.S. that I think mr. genius was referring to.

 

[KipWellsFan]

You must've missed the Bill Ayers ads, the massive media criticism over his association with Jeremiah Wright, and the ads where Obama dismisses Iran as a "tiny country."

 

You're absolutely right that McCain played the "experience" card and can no longer do so. My argument is that was more important for McCain to distance himself from Bush and attract the blue-collar vote. I believe that he addressed both this morning.

 

Obama only said that Iran isn't as big a threat as the Soviet Union by the way. That ad was less than honest.

[DukeNukeEm]

This, and the MILF post earlier, are the snark and B.S. that I think mr. genius was referring to.

There's like 6 attractive women in all of politics, I think it's reasonable to expect people to be a little uppity over it.

[NorthSideSox72]

If demographics weren't a consideration, I agree. But he may not have garnered the soccer mom vote, which is what almost certainly tipped it towards Palin.

I think that's probably true, for that segment.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

There's like 6 attractive women in all of politics, I think it's reasonable to expect people to be a little uppity over it.

You are welcome to think so. I simply disagree. Its irrelevant to me, as well as others who care primarily about the direction of the country, and I think some of the female posters here may see it as mildly offensive.

 

[WCSox]

Obama only said that Iran isn't as big a threat as the Soviet Union by the way.

 

That's still not a very smart thing to say, especially when Iran is developing nukes, threatening to use them on Israel, and has significant influence on global energy prices. Hence the "judgement" issue.

 

[KipWellsFan]

Sarah Palin aside, I'd like to comment on Obama's "experience."

 

While it's not "executive experience" running a Presidential campaign is probably as close as you can get. Running what is essentially a countrywide infrastructure of supporters, raising and handling millions of dollars, having to answer every and any question, and all under the spotlight of the national media for months on end. That's a proving ground if you ask me. And a good test to see if that individual has what it takes to stand up for the country in the international arena.

[NorthSideSox72]

That's still not a very smart thing to say, especially when Iran is developing nukes, threatening to use them on Israel, and has significant influence on global energy prices. Hence the "judgement" issue.

Making a comparitive statement like that, as a side mention, means little. And besides, I agree with him.

 

The larger issues of judgement, as metered by votes and positions taken on important issues (Iraq, energy, critical incidents, etc.), are what matter to me. I think Obama has generally (though not always) done well with that.

 

[Rex Kickass]

There might be something that this pick lacks, and does so in a way that might actually affect something.

 

Latinos are a key swing constituency in this election. Bush picked up over 40% of that vote, and McCain really needs to hold on to that. Unfortunately, his party's actions since 2004 have done a great job of moving the Latino vote more solidly into the Democratic column. McCain might have benefitted most from a pick that could be seen as both friendly to hispanics and the conservative base. That might be a tall order, but I think its really the only way that either VP candidate could really have a lasting effect on the race.

[lostfan]

Well, I wasn't trying to insult anyone.

The words I used were a little harsh, I don't think you were trying to insult anyone and I wasn't really trying to say that. I'm just saying that's the type of language that leads to verbal sparring and more snark.

 

 

This, and the MILF post earlier, are the snark and B.S. that I think mr. genius was referring to.

I agree with that... but that's not been what's in this thread. It's been mostly actual discussion.