McCain chooses Palin for VP

[WilliamTell]

true, the governor is actually running things. pick some random person out of a crowd and they could have done what Obama did in the Senate (which is basically nothing).

 

I'll agree with the governor is running things. W Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc have been recent presidents that were governors. There hasn't been a senator elected president in a long time. I know she's a possible vice president, but she does have some, even if little, experience at running things.

Edited August 29, 2008 by WilliamTell

[lostfan]

i read the fist 6 pages and just gave up. don't get all pissy because i pointed out that Obama hasn't done anything.

 

the filibuster is rapidly becoming a dailykosII and basically i am going to just stop posting here (like a lot of the former regular conservative posters have) or i will have fun playing along with the direction of the content. i have no problem posting smart alecky garbage either.

Do you see what I'm talking about? You're making this assumption that anybody that disagrees with you on anything, or doesn't accept what you said, is some kind of mindless Obama fanboy.

[Rex Kickass]

i have no problem posting smart alecky garbage either.

 

You haven't had that problem for years.

[mr_genius]

You haven't had that problem for years.

 

nor have you. just don't get sensitive when someone throws it back in your face.

[mr_genius]

Do you see what I'm talking about? You're making this assumption that anybody that disagrees with you on anything, or doesn't accept what you said, is some kind of mindless Obama fanboy.

 

you're not an Obama fanboy?

[lostfan]

you're not an Obama fanboy?

This is getting annoying. Please stop.

Edited August 29, 2008 by lostfan

[mr_genius]

This is getting annoying. Please stop.

 

oh thats classic

[bmags]

I'll agree with the governor is running things. W Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc have been recent presidents that were governors. There hasn't been a senator elected president in a long time. I know she's a possible vice president, but she does have some, even if little, experience at running things.

 

It's true that there haven't been too many senators jump to President in history, but much of this I believe has to do with the Senate not being popularly elected until the 20th century. And if you were to look at it then, we have had a lot of our presidents move into the presidency that HAVE been senators. LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy and Truman. And certainly LBJ's time in the senate was invaluable to him in pushing through his legislation. Carter on the other hand had executive experience, but the Georgia legislature held little power vs. their governor, and Carter had little idea how to deal with the legislature. So in these cases I think it's fair to say that both of these positions are distinguished and prepare the president in different ways.

[DABearSoX]

you're not an Obama fanboy?

 

 

you're not a McCain fanboy???

 

please you were the first to point out the "snarkyness" of this thread, but yet you make it 10 times worse...

 

its politics, people have biases...b/c we don't agree with you doesn't mean we are attacking you

[WCSox]

It's true that there haven't been too many senators jump to President in history, but much of this I believe has to do with the Senate not being popularly elected until the 20th century. And if you were to look at it then, we have had a lot of our presidents move into the presidency that HAVE been senators. LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy and Truman. And certainly LBJ's time in the senate was invaluable to him in pushing through his legislation. Carter on the other hand had executive experience, but the Georgia legislature held little power vs. their governor, and Carter had little idea how to deal with the legislature. So in these cases I think it's fair to say that both of these positions are distinguished and prepare the president in different ways.

 

Term limits are a bit part of it as well. Senators (and Congressmen) do not have term limits and often have a very long voting trail that can be heavily-scrutinized (particularly for flip-flopping). Gubernatorial voting records are often more limited.

 

[mr_genius]

its politics, people have biases...b/c we don't agree with you doesn't mean we are attacking you

 

I never said i was being attacked. You guys just get all worked up when someone who isn't a big Obama supporter posts some smart ass remarks. You guys sure as hell do the same thing (snarky posts); don't get upset and offended when you put yourself out there like that and someone decides to have some fun with you.

[Rex Kickass]

Before this thread becomes nothing but piling on of each other....

 

This thread is about McCain's Vice Presidential pick. It is not about the appropriateness of snark, or who is a fanboy of what candidate. If you'd like to continue that discussion, please feel free to do that here.

 

If you feel that you have issues to iron out with yourself and another poster, that may be something worth doing in private.

[lostfan]

oh thats classic

I was trying to be nice about this at first. If your sole purpose in this thread and in this forum is to antagonize and ridicule others in violation of the rules, then please, just don't post. You agreed to the rules, you're expected to follow them.

 

The same applies to everyone else, by the way.

[WilliamTell]

It's true that there haven't been too many senators jump to President in history, but much of this I believe has to do with the Senate not being popularly elected until the 20th century. And if you were to look at it then, we have had a lot of our presidents move into the presidency that HAVE been senators. LBJ, Nixon, Kennedy and Truman. And certainly LBJ's time in the senate was invaluable to him in pushing through his legislation. Carter on the other hand had executive experience, but the Georgia legislature held little power vs. their governor, and Carter had little idea how to deal with the legislature. So in these cases I think it's fair to say that both of these positions are distinguished and prepare the president in different ways.

 

I see where you're coming from. I was just pointing out that she has at least some experience, even if it's brief.

[mr_genius]

I was trying to be nice about this at first. If your sole purpose in this thread and in this forum is to antagonize and ridicule others in violation of the rules, then please, just don't post. You agreed to the rules, you're expected to follow them.

 

 

 

i would also suggest you do the same

[lostfan]

i would also suggest you do the same

Please elaborate. If I'm somehow violating the rules I would like to know, honestly.

[WilliamTell]

I would've like Pawlanty just because I've seen him talk and was impressed with him, he's also been on the McCain train the past year and a half at least, since March of 2007 when I saw McCain speak, but it's just a personal opinion of mine. I'm not upset with McCain's choice though.

[WilliamTell]

Fact Checking McCain-

From John McCain:

“I don’t think it’s a short resume. She first ran for office back in 1992. I don’t know what Senator Obama was doing then, but the first time she ran was 1992. That’s 16 years. I think that’s a pretty, pretty event-filled and record-filled resume."

 

Per WikiPedia:

Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.

 

So, while. Obama was running a massive voter registration drive on the south side of Chicago, Sarah Palin was running for city council in a town of 7000 people.

 

And you're comparing a presidential hopeful to a vice presidential hopeful. Who's in charge? It's the president, and if we're talking about experience, McCain has more than Obama, but I agree that this experience thing should not be talked about anymore.

[WCSox]

I see where you're coming from. I was just pointing out that she has at least some experience, even if it's brief.

 

My feeling is that she could've benefited from a couple more years experience as governor before stepping into this role. That said, people who know her tend to characterize her as very intelligent, sharp, energetic, and charismatic. Of course, a lot of those people are biased Republicans, so I guess that we'll have to wait until the debates to see.

 

After watching Romney and his massive financial reserves lose to McCain in the primary, my feeling is that the GOP sees her as a rising star and is prepping her for a run in 2012 or 2016.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

And you're comparing a presidential hopeful to a vice presidential hopeful. Who's in charge? It's the president, and if we're talking about experience, McCain has more than Obama, but I agree that this experience thing should not be talked about anymore.

John McCain said based on her experience as a very small town mayor and gov of one of the smallest states in the union she is indeed ready to be president.

[lostfan]

And you're comparing a presidential hopeful to a vice presidential hopeful. Who's in charge? It's the president, and if we're talking about experience, McCain has more than Obama, but I agree that this experience thing should not be talked about anymore.

IMO the qualifications for VP should be the exact same as they are for president. If you feel that someone is unqualified for whatever reason, you should not pick them as your VP, plain and simple. The VP should be just as "ready" as the top candidate.

[BigSqwert]

IMO the qualifications for VP should be the exact same as they are for president. If you feel that someone is unqualified for whatever reason, you should not pick them as your VP, plain and simple. The VP should be just as "ready" as the top candidate.

Especially if the person running as the President on your ticket would be the oldest 1st term President in U.S. history if he were to win.

[mr_genius]

Please elaborate. If I'm somehow violating the rules I would like to know, honestly.

 

I'm not going to get into this any further.

[WCSox]

Especially if the person running as the President on your ticket would be the oldest 1st term President in U.S. history if he were to win.

 

So, let me get this straight: A relatively inexperienced Obama - who will DEFINITELY occupy the Oval Office, if elected - gets a free pass. But a relatively inexperienced Palin - who will only sit in the Oval Office in the unlikely event of McCain dropping dead - is a flawed choice?

 

I can tell that the Obama-maniacs are nervous right now.

 

[BigSqwert]

So, let me get this straight: A relatively inexperienced Obama - who will DEFINITELY occupy the Oval Office, if elected - gets a free pass. But a relatively inexperienced Palin - who will only sit in the Oval Office in the unlikely event of McCain dropping dead - is a flawed choice?

 

I can tell that the Obama-maniacs are nervous right now.

Relatively inexperienced vs no experience. McCain himself has cited that the highest priority issues of our time are national security, Iraq, and Iran...3 things Palin has absolutely no experience in.