sox-r-us Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Buehrle confesses Cardinals allegiance, but watches his words July 10, 2003 BY DOUG PADILLA STAFF REPORTER Advertisement DETROIT--The St. Louis Cardinals-Mark Buehrle connection just won't go away, as the White Sox left-hander went on a St. Louis sports-talk radio show this week. Buehrle, a native of suburban St. Louis, twice in the last two years has "joked'' during offseason banquets that he wanted to play for the Cardinals. Talk about being a huge fan. Twice during an interview Tuesday on KFNS 590-AM, Buehrle used the word "we'' when referring to the Cardinals. "That kills me whenever we get out of the playoffs or if we don't make it,'' Buehrle said on the air when asked how it feels when he sees the Cardinals eliminated from the postseason. "When I come [home] I get four tickets or eight tickets to go to the Cardinals during the postseason. Of course, I want to see the World Series come to St. Louis and they win. So it's not too good when they lose.'' Hosts Frank Cusumano and Tim McKernan laughed about trying to get Buehrle into more trouble, but to his credit, Buehrle did not take the bait. Buehrle was asked if while scoreboard watching, he is more concerned with the Cardinals result or the results of teams in his own division. He also was asked if it would be a bigger thrill to pitch in St. Louis' Busch Stadium or to pitch in the World Series. "I would say World Series,'' he said. "It's always been a lifetime dream to go to the World Series. But if I got a chance to pitch in St.Louis, either for them or against them, I think it would be a thrill, especially for my family, just to be able to watch me play.'' When asked about scoreboard watching, Buehrle sensed danger. "You're going to try and get me in trouble aren't you?'' he said. "I'm rooting on the Cardinals. I've always been a Cardinals fan. Any time I look up there on the American League side, I'm looking at the teams in front of us, and when I'm looking at the National League, I'm rooting on the Cardinals to win.'' A popular rumor in St. Louis is that the Sox would make an improbable deal of sending Buehrle to the Cardinals for outfielder J.D. Drew. Buehrle quashed that thought. "It's one of those things where I don't think the White Sox are going to get rid of me right now, especially since we went out and got Carl Everett to play center field,'' he said. Buehrle is arbitration-eligible after this season and is looking at a substantial raise from the $445,000 he is making this season. The Sox have Buehrle's rights for at least two more seasons. Buehrle (7-10, 4.34 ERA), whose next start is in Game 1 of a day-night doubleheader Saturday at Cleveland, has won his last five starts since ending a 12-start string without recording a victory. FLASHY OUTING: Tom Gordon kept things close in an eventual Sox defeat Tuesday when he shut down the Tigers in a bases-loaded, no-out situation in the eighth inning. He came on in relief of Damaso Marte to get back-to-back strikeouts, followed by a ground out. Gordon got out of a similar situation June 27 against the Cubs when he escaped a bases-loaded, one-out situation with a strikeout and a ground out. "I credit John Smoltz, I credit [Eric] Gagne, I credit all those guys who have [saved games] every day, day in and day out,'' Gordon said. "But I think some of the guys that should get most credit are the guys that set that up for them because they have the toughest time sometimes, and a save can be in the seventh inning.'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 FLASHY OUTING: Tom Gordon kept things close in an eventual Sox defeat Tuesday when he shut down the Tigers in a bases-loaded, no-out situation in the eighth inning. He came on in relief of Damaso Marte to get back-to-back strikeouts, followed by a ground out. Gordon got out of a similar situation June 27 against the Cubs when he escaped a bases-loaded, one-out situation with a strikeout and a ground out. "I credit John Smoltz, I credit [Eric] Gagne, I credit all those guys who have [saved games] every day, day in and day out,'' Gordon said. "But I think some of the guys that should get most credit are the guys that set that up for them because they have the toughest time sometimes, and a save can be in the seventh inning.'' This preformance wasn't talked about nearly enough. Gordon getting out of the bases loaded and nobody out was awesome. Too bad the inept offense rendered it pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 My two thoughts on the subject: 1. I doubt that Mark is thinking about the Cardinals when he takes the mound for the Sox 2. If Mark, a lifelong Cardinals fan, cannot say "WE" about the Cardinals, then NO ONE on this board should say WE about the Sox. I personally don't say WE about any sports team that I'm a fan of, but I know a lot of people who do, and that's fine. He's obviously still a Cardinals fan, and honestly, who wouldn't like to play for their favorite team? When he has the opportunity to leave, he should if that's what he wants to do. But I believe that he's professional enough to understand his job every fifth day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenacious PW Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 FLASHY OUTING: Tom Gordon kept things close in an eventual Sox defeat Tuesday when he shut down the Tigers in a bases-loaded, no-out situation in the eighth inning. He came on in relief of Damaso Marte to get back-to-back strikeouts, followed by a ground out. Gordon got out of a similar situation June 27 against the Cubs when he escaped a bases-loaded, one-out situation with a strikeout and a ground out. "I credit John Smoltz, I credit [Eric] Gagne, I credit all those guys who have [saved games] every day, day in and day out,'' Gordon said. "But I think some of the guys that should get most credit are the guys that set that up for them because they have the toughest time sometimes, and a save can be in the seventh inning.'' This preformance wasn't talked about nearly enough. Gordon getting out of the bases loaded and nobody out was awesome. Too bad the inept offense rendered it pointless. I think Gordon has been doing a fantastic job his last to appearances. We need that in order to keep Koch off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 This preformance wasn't talked about nearly enough. Gordon getting out of the bases loaded and nobody out was awesome. Too bad the inept offense rendered it pointless. That's why it wasn't talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 My two thoughts on the subject: 1. I doubt that Mark is thinking about the Cardinals when he takes the mound for the Sox 2. If Mark, a lifelong Cardinals fan, cannot say "WE" about the Cardinals, then NO ONE on this board should say WE about the Sox. I personally don't say WE about any sports team that I'm a fan of, but I know a lot of people who do, and that's fine. He's obviously still a Cardinals fan, and honestly, who wouldn't like to play for their favorite team? When he has the opportunity to leave, he should if that's what he wants to do. But I believe that he's professional enough to understand his job every fifth day. Its a little different , us saying we and MB saying we. MB plays for the White Sox , that is who pays him. We to him should be his teammates. I don't think its a big deal. I do think he will bolt here his first opportunity. But with all the turmoil about the other 2 episodes you'd think he'd have learned his lesson. I hope if the Sox ever played the Cardinals in the World Series and the Cardinals won he wouldn't join in the celebration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 I hope if the Sox ever played the Cardinals in the World Series and the Cardinals won he would join in the celebration. Wait a minute - you hope he WOULD??? I think he wouldn't like it if they beat the Sox to win the WS, but I think he'd certainly rejoice if the Cards beat anyone else to win the Series. I don't know what it is about the Cardinals - everybody wants to play there, and they play in ST. LOUIS, that hellhole!!! I don't get it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 My two thoughts on the subject: 1. I doubt that Mark is thinking about the Cardinals when he takes the mound for the Sox 2. If Mark, a lifelong Cardinals fan, cannot say "WE" about the Cardinals, then NO ONE on this board should say WE about the Sox. I personally don't say WE about any sports team that I'm a fan of, but I know a lot of people who do, and that's fine. He's obviously still a Cardinals fan, and honestly, who wouldn't like to play for their favorite team? When he has the opportunity to leave, he should if that's what he wants to do. But I believe that he's professional enough to understand his job every fifth day. I always say we. It's easier and shorter than saying "the white sox" this and "the white sox" that. And it implies that you are a fan of the team, whereas if you say the white sox every time you sound like an outside observer. Just my opinion And this buerhle s*** with st louis is pissing me off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Wait a minute - you hope he WOULD??? I think he wouldn't like it if they beat the Sox to win the WS, but I think he'd certainly rejoice if the Cards beat anyone else to win the Series. I don't know what it is about the Cardinals - everybody wants to play there, and they play in ST. LOUIS, that hellhole!!! I don't get it... I meant to say wouldn't join in the celebration, I will edit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Can't blame him, Sox look like s*** right now. Also, he can finally play for a real manager (LaRussa) at the major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 The Cardinals had ample opportunity to add him to their organization, the White Sox did and developed him to the point he is at right now. Its time for the Cardinal allegiance to end. "We" should be the White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Get off Mark's back already. Whats the problem of being a fan of another team? He's a diehard Cardinals fan and he wants them to do well. Whats the problem with that? As for wanting to play for the Cards, wouldnt all fans want to play for their teams? I'm sure that if Mark was pitching against the Cards, he wouldnt lose on purpose, so whats the big deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 I don't think its a big deal, if the Sox and Cards were in the same league it would be. But if the Sox and Cards ever play against each other and MB pitches and St. Louis wins, more than a few eyebrows would be raised. I wish though, he would just shut up about the Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Yeah, but I think MB would pitch to win. Why would he mess his stats up so his favorite team growing up could win. Wow, his favorite team growing up was the Cardinals. He also has alligence to the Sox. He came up throught the Sox system, and has become an ace here. Most people don't get to play on their favorite team growing up. I remember reading a story in Sports Illistrated last year about Torii Hunter. It said he went to the mall after he was drafted by the Twins, and no one had a Twins hat. I'm sure he grew up a Twins fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Let's put it in this perspective; Suppose you made to the big leagues as a pitcher of the caliber of Buehrle. Your from Chicago and your playing for a mediocre team (your not the Sox) you want to go to Chicago and want to pitch for your home crowd that's doing better. I say let Mark go and achieve his life-long dream in TWO years. Anything can happen in two years. You can't force him to not go to St. Louis. He's already turned down big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 2. If Mark, a lifelong Cardinals fan, cannot say "WE" about the Cardinals, then NO ONE on this board should say WE about the Sox. I believe that he's professional enough to understand his job every fifth day. thank you for making that observation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 We to him should be his teammates. I don't think its a big deal. just a comment - everything I know of MB, "we" to him is definately his team mates and the Sox. ' But each of us has more that one "we" in our lives. Everyone should consider all the "we" groups that each identify with. MB is a lifelong Cards fan and St Louis is in a different league, they are not a Sox rival in any way. Since the Sox are not in any way in competition with the Cards, then for MB to say "we" when talking of his childhood team is like any one of us. MB always is a team player with the Sox and his first "we" in his vocation is the Sox - any one challenge that, please advise as to your proof that he is not other than 100% a team player. I have spoken with him and with his family and "we" is always the term when used for the Sox. truth be known - and here is a secret I reveal for the first time - MB has a souvenier of a St Louis team in his locker..... the St Louis Rams. That is where he grew up. Hell, I moved to Michigan in 1975 before most of you were born and when I speak of Chicago, it is always "we." The place where you grew up and the things that are dear to you in youth and adolensence always stay close in your heart no matter what. Am I disloyal to Michigan that when I speak of things Chicago I say "we"? Hardly. When some of you get a bit older and live a distance away from the place of your childhood and youth, you will understand better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Just to end this right now, that IS NOT WHAT HE SAID. Doug Padilla is f***ing moron. They played the audio of it on the Score this morning. So Doug can bite me. Tired of this s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Here's what I think. Mark Buehrle can be a fan of any team he wants. That's his perrogative. If he goes out to that mound every fifth day and gives US the best that he can, what is there to b**** about? If I was playing for the St. Louis Cardinals, I would still be a die hard White Sox fan, and would be proud to say it to anyone that cared to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 2. If Mark, a lifelong Cardinals fan, cannot say "WE" about the Cardinals, then NO ONE on this board should say WE about the Sox. I personally don't say WE about any sports team that I'm a fan of, but I know a lot of people who do, and that's fine. He's obviously still a Cardinals fan, and honestly, who wouldn't like to play for their favorite team? When Mark retires, he can refer to the Cardinals as "we". But as long as he's being paid by the White Sox or any other ML team that's not St. Louis, he cannot and should not refer to them as "we". Doing so is very unprofessional. He's still got a lot to learn about PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Everyone is either deaf or stupid I swear. The way that douche bag Padilla wrote it is not how it sounded. If you listen to the audio and the context in which the quote was said, he's not talking about the Cardinals. Mark said that it kills him when the Sox aren't in the playoffs, but since they're not he can go down and get tickets to the Cards playoff games. He wasn't talking about it killing him when the Cardinals don't make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 Everyone is either deaf or stupid I swear. The way that douche bag Padilla wrote it is not how it sounded. If you listen to the audio and the context in which the quote was said, he's not talking about the Cardinals. Mark said that it kills him when the Sox aren't in the playoffs, but since they're not he can go down and get tickets to the Cards playoff games. He wasn't talking about it killing him when the Cardinals don't make the playoffs. I think he needs to stop this BS with the Card's media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 I think he needs to stop this BS with the Card's media. I don't really care, the fact that people get so upset about this is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 I don't really care, the fact that people get so upset about this is beyond me. beyond me, too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 I really get the feeling that Mark isn't too bright or he wouldn't keep letting the media lure him down this road repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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