Sarah Palin

[NorthSideSox72]

Verbal fumblings?! Obama lied to people for over a month of campaigning by saying McCain wanted to be in Iraq for 100 years, even though that's not at all what McCain said or what McCain meant. I consider that the same - blatantly misquoting/misrepresentuing the situation for political gain.

Obama using that line was classless IMO, though typical for a campaign. And it wasn't a lie, because it was in fact the manifest truth - he said that. It was out of context to be certain, but not outright false.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Verbal fumblings?! Obama lied to people for over a month of campaigning by saying McCain wanted to be in Iraq for 100 years, even though that's not at all what McCain said or what McCain meant. I consider that the same - blatantly misquoting/misrepresentuing the situation for political gain.

Seriously, even though I support Obama, I am SURE he must have actually lied at some point in his campaign. Someone has to know of one.

 

And to be clear on something else, McCain's camp wasn't doing this dishonest crap originally. Its a recent phenomenon. I had in fact commended both campaigns a while back for avoiding that s***. McCain decided to go over the line (between stretching/contextually dissonant and just plain lying) recently, and multiple times.

 

[whitesoxfan101]

I'm talking about America's foreign policy, and how that's viewed worldwide etc.

 

Also, the prevailing feeling I know from Australia, is how could you re-elect a Republican after 8 years of Bush and what he has done to the country?

 

The comment that Obama made of McCain voting 90% of the time with Bush, really hit hard for me on the above.

 

I would answer the bold the same way I answered it in 2004 at about this time (although it was 4 years of Bush then, not 8 obviously). The opponent the democrats have fired back with is very weak, which has caused the election to become very close and a virtual toss up. Neither party has many answers right now, regardless of what they tell you. I don't really trust EITHER candidate in regards to foreign policy actually. As you can see, I'm slightly negative about this race though. I have been much more anti-Obama than anything, and even that is mostly caused by the asinine way he is perceived by the media and his supporters. I really don't like either candidate much.

[NorthSideSox72]

I would answer the bold the same way I answered it in 2004 at about this time (although it was 4 years of Bush then, not 8 obviously). The opponent the democrats have fired back with is very weak, which has caused the election to become very close and a virtual toss up. Neither party has many answers right now, regardless of what they tell you. I don't really trust EITHER candidate in regards to foreign policy actually. As you can see, I'm slightly negative about this race though. I have been much more anti-Obama than anything, and even that is mostly caused by the asinine way he is perceived by the media and his supporters. I really don't like either candidate much.

I have a different response... McCain is NOT Bush (despite the fact that they are trying to paint it that way). They are both GOP, but they are very different leaders.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Obama using that line was classless IMO, though typical for a campaign. And it wasn't a lie, because it was in fact the manifest truth - he said that. It was out of context to be certain, but not outright false.

 

Cutting off a questioner who talked about the Bush administration's willingness to keep troops in Iraq for 50 years, McCain said "Make it a hundred." He then mentioned that U.S. troops had been in Germany for 60 years and in Korea for 50 years, and added, "That's fine with me as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed."

 

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"You know, John McCain wants to continue a war in Iraq perhaps as long as 100 years." --Sen. Barack Obama, Lancaster, PA, Town Hall meeting, March 31, 2008.

 

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checke...00year_war.html

 

That's a lie. Tell me how, in any way, McCain says he'd CONTINUE a WAR in Iraq for 100 years. There's no difference to me between that tactic and Palin taking the credit for that bridge not being built.

 

(I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying this is typical political speech. To act like Palin is any different than Obama in this respect is laughable to me.)

[whitesoxfan101]

I have a different response... McCain is NOT Bush (despite the fact that they are trying to paint it that way). They are both GOP, but they are very different leaders.

 

Oh there is no question about this. I've said for a while that if you don't like McCain that is more than fair, but to say he is like Bush is not fair. However, both sides are doing a lot of things that aren't fair in this election so that is no surprise. I have given up trying to argue that McCain is not Bush though, because that's fallen on deaf ears.

[Jenksismyhero]

And to be clear on something else, McCain's camp wasn't doing this dishonest crap originally. Its a recent phenomenon. I had in fact commended both campaigns a while back for avoiding that s***. McCain decided to go over the line (between stretching/contextually dissonant and just plain lying) recently, and multiple times.

 

I was the same way, but it seems like after the conventions it's time for the gloves to come off and the mudslinging crap to begin. Here's a good blog write up from Newsweek I always read that kinda hit home with what I've been talking about with friends.

 

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/arc...-stupidity.aspx

 

[Steff]

That's a lie. Tell me how, in any way, McCain says he'd CONTINUE a WAR in Iraq for 100 years.

 

 

What would you call it? Restarting it? I mean if it's already going... keeping it going.. is... continuing it... no?

[EvilMonkey]

What would you call it? Restarting it? I mean if it's already going... keeping it going.. is... continuing it... no?

Are we continuing the war in Germany?

[ChiSox_Sonix]

What would you call it? Restarting it? I mean if it's already going... keeping it going.. is... continuing it... no?

 

 

Ah, so apparently to continue a war it is now assumed that means for 100 years? Gotchya...

[EvilMonkey]

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics...ended_by_i.html

Not sure what to say about this?

[Steff]

Are we continuing the war in Germany?

 

 

Guess you got me there since continue would apply as well after an intermission. Though I can't rip Obama's ass for using John's own words as an obvious exaggeration. There are so many other bigger issues.

[Steff]

Ah, so apparently to continue a war it is now assumed that means for 100 years? Gotchya...

 

 

ASSume whatever you like. Those using the quote are using text from McCain's own mouth. No ASSumption there.

[BigSqwert]

Are we continuing the war in Germany?

Is there still battle ensuing on the ground in Germany that I wasn't aware of?

[ChiSox_Sonix]

ASSume whatever you like. Those using the quote are using text from McCain's own mouth. No ASSumption there.

 

 

You're right. So because someone says something, other people have the right to manipulate it however they please apparently. And thats okay. I mean, leading people to believe one thing that it isnt is technically not lieing so that makes all the difference!

[NorthSideSox72]

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics...ended_by_i.html

Not sure what to say about this?

Pretty much the equivalent of a Paris Hilton endorsement.

 

[StrangeSox]

Is there still battle ensuing on the ground in Germany that I wasn't aware of?

Well, that's the point. If you look at McCain's comment in context, he's referring to having troops stationed in Iraq for a long time, just like we have troops stationed in Germany. It doesn't mean they'll still be fighting there.

[Steff]

You're right. So because someone says something, other people have the right to manipulate it however they please apparently. And thats okay. I mean, leading people to believe one thing that it isnt is technically not lieing so that makes all the difference!

 

Did McCain say "make it a hundred..."? Yes, he did. It's not like Obama pulled it out of his ass. And he's using the exact words he used so it's hard to call it manipulation. In any event, like I said earlier, if someone believes it to be the truth more than exaggeration, out of McCain's mouth or Obama's, IMO they need a reality check.

[NorthSideSox72]

You're right. So because someone says something, other people have the right to manipulate it however they please apparently. And thats okay. I mean, leading people to believe one thing that it isnt is technically not lieing so that makes all the difference!

No one said it was good or OK. Hyperbole much?

 

Each party, IMO, has one particular bad habit that annoys me to no end.

 

The Dems have a bad habit of painting anyone who isn't solidly in the liberal gutter as mean-spirited and evil. As if, because people disagree on the tax increases that the Dems want, that means they must hate poor people. Its pathetic.

 

For the GOP, the above post is a perfect picture of it - play ignorant to any sort of small differences and go to the extreme. For example, the MSM doesn't have some issues of bias - it is a giant bastion of ultra-liberal granola eaters. Obama isn't just a worse choice of the two - he's an unpatriotic, dangerous man who wants to make the U.S. a socialist country. This tactic also has a favorite follow-on, too - if your candidate does something wrong, say "THEY ALL DO IT!", as if its so black and white. Again, dismissing the fact that one candidate may be better, though not perfect.

 

[DBAHO]

Oh there is no question about this. I've said for a while that if you don't like McCain that is more than fair, but to say he is like Bush is not fair. However, both sides are doing a lot of things that aren't fair in this election so that is no surprise. I have given up trying to argue that McCain is not Bush though, because that's fallen on deaf ears.

I would argue he is closer than not though, just because the way he has voted on policies since Bush has been President.

 

I dunno, I just find it crazy that America would vote for a President that's;

 

1 - Same party as Bush

2 - Decent chance he won't finish a full 8 year term because of age

3 - Hence, Palin would be President and she has what 2 years experience as a Governor in Alaska!?

4 - Vote for someone because of the "commander in chief" thinking, rather than the state of the economy, which I think is a more pressing issue.

[EvilMonkey]

I would argue he is closer than not though, just because the way he has voted on policies since Bush has been President.

 

I dunno, I just find it crazy that America would vote for a President that's;

 

1 - Same party as Bush

2 - Decent chance he won't finish a full 8 year term because of age

3 - Hence, Palin would be President and she has what 2 years experience as a Governor in Alaska!?

4 - Vote for someone because of the "commander in chief" thinking, rather than the state of the economy, which I think is a more pressing issue.

FYI, a full term is 4 years.

[BigSqwert]

FYI, a full term is 4 years.

 

When you're spry.

 

[DBAHO]

FYI, a full term is 4 years.

Well I meant if he's re-elected. But yeah.....

[NorthSideSox72]

I would argue he is closer than not though, just because the way he has voted on policies since Bush has been President.

Policy wise, yes, they have a fair amount in common. Not everything though.

 

But in terms of management and leadership style, and personality, I think they are quite different.

 

[bmags]

Policy wise, yes, they have a fair amount in common. Not everything though.

 

But in terms of management and leadership style, and personality, I think they are quite different.

 

I think they are very much the same in management, they both get dominated by the people they put around them.