bmags Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 One interesting thing to note, is that Obama has resources in all 50 states. What this means to me is that even in states he loses, he will probably be closer than Kerry was in 04. What I'm getting at, is if Obama loses, I'm thinking it's likely that he still wins popular. And that would really be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) One interesting thing to note, is that Obama has resources in all 50 states. What this means to me is that even in states he loses, he will probably be closer than Kerry was in 04. What I'm getting at, is if Obama loses, I'm thinking it's likely that he still wins popular. And that would really be bad. I'd be surprised if McCain wins the popular vote, regardless of who wins the electoral college and thus the election. With that in mind along with the fact that it wouldn't be a huge surprised if McCain wins the electoral college, we could be in for another ugly debate over the popular vote vs. the electoral college. I personally find the electoral college stupid, regardless of who it benefits. But it helped the GOP in 2000 and very well might do it again this year. Edited September 5, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) One interesting thing to note, is that Obama has resources in all 50 states. What this means to me is that even in states he loses, he will probably be closer than Kerry was in 04. What I'm getting at, is if Obama loses, I'm thinking it's likely that he still wins popular. And that would really be bad. The difference between campaigns: McCain/Palin - campaign is all about McCain/Palin Obama/Biden - using DNC field offices as a base in many states, its as much a downticket race in the field as it is a Presidential one. People may hate Howard Dean for one reason or another, but he's been very successful at building a party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 QUOTE (DABearSoX @ Sep 5, 2008 -> 11:10 AM) 6 oxen 25 sets of clothes 500 bullets 1000 pounds of food 2 wagon wheel 1 wagon axel 1 wagon tongue Clem has died of dysentery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I'd put a significant amount of resources into Ohio, Virginia, and Colorado; and I'd also spend some on New Hampshire and Nevada (both are pretty tight), as well as Florida (still a little too close for comfort). I suspect that Iowa and Maryland will remain blue no matter how much they spend. Michigan and Pennsylvania are probably going to remain blue, but I'd pick one of the two and divert remaining funding there (probably the latter, which has more electoral votes). As far as strategy, I'd do a few things. First, I'd go after his extremely liberal voting record and try to paint him as an Ivy League leftist who is out of touch with mainstream America. This would include his opposition to more domestic drilling and his lack of support for nuclear power (and probably issues of lesser importance, like his support for partial-birth abortion). I'd use his positions on energy as evidence that he doesn't care how much it costs Joe and Jane Average to drive their cars to work or heat their homes (which plays into the "elitist" portrayal). Most importantly, I'd get a bunch of economists together and run ads attacking his massive tax hikes and especially his proposal to nearly double the capital gains tax. They'd explain that raising taxes in a weak economy would weaken it even more, and that raising the capital gains tax (1) has historically not increased revenue and (2) will likely trigger a significant sell-off on Wall Street, potentially costing millions their jobs. I'd use these ads (and his opposition to drilling and nuclear power) to portray him as an economic-redistribution Euro-socialist who favors reliance on the government over personal economic freedom. What advertising money I had left over would go to attacking Obama's lack of foreign policy experience and his judgement in that area. This would include his opposition to The Surge, his puzzling initial remark about the Russia/Georgia conflict, and his comment about McCain not invading Pakistan to get bin Laden. And if that doesn't work by mid-October (and there's a good chance that it won't), I'd be in contact with the 527 groups about running Ayers and Wright ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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