Buehrle>Wood Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 It's always hilarious to see such a big deal made out of Jenks loss of velocity when he has become a better pitcher in the process. He should be an untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 12:24 PM) It's always hilarious to see such a big deal made out of Jenks loss of velocity when he has become a better pitcher in the process. He should be an untouchable. That. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 We have one of the best closer in baseball. Bobby will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 12:24 PM) It's always hilarious to see such a big deal made out of Jenks loss of velocity when he has become a better pitcher in the process. He should be an untouchable. I agree Jenks is a stud closer and we have nothing to worry about, but closers labeled as untouchable is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 It was fun to watch 100 MPH fastballs go whizzing by the opposing batters, but even more fun to just get outs. Thornton is great in the 7th or 8th inning role. He has the stuff to be a closer, but every closer says it is all a mental thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Speaking of relievers....what in the world are the Sox doing leaving any of their 40-man roster guys out of Chicago? I don't care about service time (a two week call up will hardly affect service time)...they need to win and they've got a great arm in Poreda sitting there. Unless you are 100% sure he isn't ready, I mean, he's got to be an improvement over Boone Logan. What about Egbert for the Broadway role? This is All Hands On Deck time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 06:32 PM) I agree Jenks is a stud closer and we have nothing to worry about, but closers labeled as untouchable is a joke. Not when they are as dominant as anyone, under control for three more years, and likely aren't going to get what he's worth to our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 10:36 AM) Speaking of relievers....what in the world are the Sox doing leaving any of their 40-man roster guys out of Chicago? I don't care about service time (a two week call up will hardly affect service time)...they need to win and they've got a great arm in Poreda sitting there. Unless you are 100% sure he isn't ready, I mean, he's got to be an improvement over Boone Logan. What about Egbert for the Broadway role? This is All Hands On Deck time. Aaron Poreda is not on the 40 man as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 02:18 PM) Aaron Poreda is not on the 40 man as far as I can tell. I checked the 40 man roster after I posted that - I was sure he was on the 40 man - and found that I was wrong. If there was a slot on the 40 man, I'd put him on it and put him in the majors. Harrel, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Another note, Why the hell would anyone want to get rid of one of, if not the best bullpen arms we have? Is our bullpen strong enough where you think losing Jenks is no biggie? The bullpen is the weakest link on our (and many other) team. Why the hell do you get rid of 1/3 of the guys who actually produce? Not to mention Jenks makes like $10/hr to pitch and is under team control for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) Not for one second do I believe that Jenks can still throw 100 mph if he wanted. mmm...i don't know. He hit 98 this season, legit. I'm not crazy about his slider. Hangs it too much. i'd like to see him just stick with the FB and uncle charlie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 12:41 PM) Not when they are as dominant as anyone, under control for three more years, and likely aren't going to get what he's worth to our team. Ok, so if someone offers you two highly-touted prospect position players or a starting pitcher and position player that can help your team, who cares Bobby's dominant? Gag me, it's still only like 80 innings worth of ball. Closers are expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 01:12 PM) Ok, so if someone offers you two highly-touted prospect position players or a starting pitcher and position player that can help your team, who cares Bobby's dominant? Gag me, it's still only like 80 innings worth of ball. Closers are expendable. If we could get a Lincecum-type prospect for Bobby, you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 01:24 PM) If we could get a Lincecum-type prospect for Bobby, you do it. Did I miss that offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 02:25 PM) Did I miss that offer? Wouldnt be the first thing you missed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) Ok, so if someone offers you two highly-touted prospect position players or a starting pitcher and position player that can help your team, who cares Bobby's dominant? Gag me, it's still only like 80 innings worth of ball. Closers are expendable. hahaha. Ask the mets, tigers, indians, cubs, etc how they're doing/did with no "closer". Do you not remember how many games the bullpen lost us last year? I sure do, and would never think of trading 1 of the 3 guys we have that actually get outs every once and a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 02:40 PM) hahaha. Ask the mets, tigers, indians, cubs, etc how they're doing/did with no "closer". Do you not remember how many games the bullpen lost us last year? I sure do, and would never think of trading 1 of the 3 guys we have that actually get outs every once and a while. The Cubs have the 2nd best record in baseball and the Mets are in first place..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Jenks is basically a year by year proposition for me at this point. We still control him for what another 3 seasons, arbitration wise. I would maybe look at dealing him a year from FA, because there are still doubts over him for the long - term, but with all of the problems we've had with our bullpen over the past few seasons, he's been the 1 consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 03:44 PM) The Cubs have the 2nd best record in baseball and the Mets are in first place..... Mets are beginning to wobble now though without Wagner. I think Philly will catch em once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 02:44 PM) The Cubs have the 2nd best record in baseball and the Mets are in first place..... How'd the Cubs do in the run where Wood was down? How good are the mets doing now with no Wagner? Hence the "Doing/did" part. People say "Hey we can get 2 top prospects!!!!" Well great, we can have a stud starting 5 rotation, then hand the ball to Ryan Buckvich and Mike Mcdoofus for the 7-9. I'm sure that would work out well. Edited September 15, 2008 by Jenksy Cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 01:27 PM) Wouldnt be the first thing you missed.... I take it by the non-response you were just being arguementative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 02:14 PM) I take it by the non-response you were just being arguementative? Huh? I was saying in theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCQ Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 You can say that a lot of teams have troubles with closers and thats fine, almost fathomable in fact. but, im under the impression that with every team with a s*** closer theres some guy like kevin gregg or george sherril who put together very good seasons with no precedent of closing it is a mental thing and very easy if your not an idiot. (Billy wagner is an idiot ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 07:12 PM) Ok, so if someone offers you two highly-touted prospect position players or a starting pitcher and position player that can help your team, who cares Bobby's dominant? Gag me, it's still only like 80 innings worth of ball. Closers are expendable. We should know better than anyone that a sure thing in the bullpen on a year to year basis is truly something precious. It would have to take an absolute king's ransom to get Jenks from us now, and that's how it should be. Going into his FA year, that might be a different story. But with him under control for three more years, there is absolutely no reason to even think about anything like this unless someone wants to set up our franchise for years to come. QUOTE (TCQ @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) You can say that a lot of teams have troubles with closers and thats fine, almost fathomable in fact. but, im under the impression that with every team with a s*** closer theres some guy like kevin gregg or george sherril who put together very good seasons with no precedent of closing it is a mental thing and very easy if your not an idiot. (Billy wagner is an idiot ) Sherril of 5 ERA fame and 10 BLSVs in 45 chances and Gregg who has 15 BLSVs in 77 chances. This in comparison to Jenks who has 15 BLSVs in 130. Not exactly the best comparisons there. The drop off would probably cost us a playoff birth. Edited September 15, 2008 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 12:17 PM) Less opportunity to come back especially in the bottom of the 9th. If you give up three in the top of the 7th you still have 9 outs to come back, not so if you are walked off. I also tend ot beleive that hitters are more focused in the 9th if down by a run or two. I'm not saying you should be using your best reliever when you're up three in the seventh. I'm saying you should use your best reliever in the toughest situations and when the game is truly up in the air. Who cares if its in the ninth or in the seventh? It's absolutely ridiculous when teams opt to save their best reliever for the 9th when the gave is in complete question in the seventh or eighth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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