Oney Guillen

[nitetrain8601]

http://uicflames.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/...len_oney00.html

 

 

 

I dont know, it looks like Oney was pretty solid through high school.

 

I remember him around campus and one of my buddies used to dorm with him. He was pretty decent, but moved out of the dorms rather quickly, and I believe he left UIC after one year. A lady friend of mine told me he was going to Colombia College and turned into a crack fiend for awhile. I don't know what happened after that because that was two years ago.

[Texsox]

I find it sort of funny that anybody would really be irritated that we 'wasted' a 36th round draft pick on Oney.

 

If it wasn't for the minor leagues, the baseball draft would be over in the 15th round.

[Dick Allen]

I find it sort of funny that anybody would really be irritated that we 'wasted' a 36th round draft pick on Oney.

The year the Sox drafted Carrie Schueler, and it was later than the 36th round, they drafted at least 4 players that played in the major leagues, including Placido Polanco, who obviously didn't sign, after her. I never had a problem with them drafting Oney, it was better than drafting KW's other son and Schueler's daughter because at least he signed. He obviously showed he had no business playing professional baseball.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Dick Allen

[whitesoxfan101]

The year the Sox drafted Carrie Schueler, and it was later than the 36th round, they drafted at least 4 players that played in the major leagues, including Placido Polanco, who obviously didn't sign, after her.

 

Carey Schueler, who is of course the daughter of former Sox GM Ron Schueler, was a 43rd round pick in 1993. Frank Menechino, who played parts of 7 major league seasons for Toronto and Oakland and actually was a decent player, was drafted by the Sox in the 45th round that year. Mario Valdez, who played in 54 games for the Sox in 1997 and 37 others for Oakland in 2000 and 2001, was drafted in the 48th round in 1993. Finally, Placido Polanco (the only of these three who didn't sign with the Sox), was drafted in the 49th round with the Sox finaly pick of the 1993 draft. He was drafted in the 19th round and signed by St. Louis in 1994. The other 3 picks after Schueler by the Sox that year never got past A ball, but your point is well taken. The Sox also drafted Brandon Berger in the 41st round that year, who played in parts of 4 seasons for the Royals (he didn't sign and was a 14th round pick by KC in 1996), and Jeff Abbott was a 32nd round pick that year and played in parts of 5 season for us and Florida (we redrafted him in the 4th round in 1994).

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/draft/teams/1993_7.shtml

Edited September 16, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[santo=dorf]

I know it will probably piss of people, but it makes sense. The kid has been around baseball since the day he was born. I imagine there is a decent chance that some of that exposure has rubbed off and given him a chance to recognize talent.

Perhaps he can hook up a couple more of his free swinging friends with free money and partying time. I bet Oney will be able to score them MLB tickets too. Maybe he can learn from the school of Dave Wilder.

[santo=dorf]

I find it sort of funny that anybody would really be irritated that we 'wasted' a 36th round draft pick on Oney.

I'm not concerned about the pick itself, it's that the Sox organization gave money to a horrendous baseball player and played and promoted him over other minor leaguers. What kind of message doe that send to the farmhands? We don't need the White Sox to be like Hiltons or Richies of MLB with the Guillen. Let them party on their own time and money. Only Ozzie has earned his money.

[witesoxfan]

I'm not concerned about the pick itself, it's that the Sox organization gave money to a horrendous baseball player and played and promoted him over other minor leaguers. What kind of message doe that send to the farmhands? We don't need the White Sox to be like Hiltons or Richies of MLB with the Guillen. Let them party on their own time and money. Only Ozzie has earned his money.

 

Who was honestly hurt by Oney Guillen's promotions throughout the Sox minor league system?

[santo=dorf]

Too early to tell.

 

 

If the Sox had a promotion where they gave away whatever amount of money they paid Oney, they would have a lot more asses in the seats than people who would ever come to see him play.

[Dick Allen]

Who was honestly hurt by Oney Guillen's promotions throughout the Sox minor league system?

That would be impossible to determine. I would imagine it would have some affect on his teammates at lower levels who outperformed him and were obviously better players than him only to see him advance because of his last name. Who knows if that discouraged one or some enough to where they don't develop into useful players. It might be understandable if a high pick moves up, but a 36th rounder hitting .120 with 1000 errors moving up and you're staying put might just put a thought in the back of your mind that you can't play.

 

If the guy's name was Oney Jones, he never would have been drafted or signed.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Who was honestly hurt by Oney Guillen's promotions throughout the Sox minor league system?

 

 

Absolutely no one. Which is why i find it amusing to see people complain about it. He got promoted to Kanny b/c they needed a reserve IF to play once a week. If they had promoted someone with actual talent, playing that little would only hinder their development. He then got promoted to AAA b/c they needed an IF for one game. They werent going to sign anyone for one game and they werent about to promote someone off of Birmingham or W-S when they were getting ready for the playoffs. His promotions this year, IMO, are a complete non-issue. I find it funny that others are actually bothered by this. Signing him after drafting him in the 36th roundas minor league fodder hurt absolutely no one. Our job is make sure all 6 of our farm teams have enough players after all.

[southsider2k5]

That would be impossible to determine. I would imagine it would have some affect on his teammates at lower levels who outperformed him and were obviously better players than him only to see him advance because of his last name. Who knows if that discouraged one or some enough to where they don't develop into useful players. It might be understandable if a high pick moves up, but a 36th rounder hitting .120 with 1000 errors moving up and you're staying put might just put a thought in the back of your mind that you can't play.

 

If the guy's name was Oney Jones, he never would have been drafted or signed.

 

If they were that discouraged by that, something tells me they weren't going to have the testicular fortitude to advance to the majors anyway.

 

[Dick Allen]

If they were that discouraged by that, something tells me they weren't going to have the testicular fortitude to advance to the majors anyway.

Maybe not, but you're dealing with 17-20 year olds.

[scenario]

What "advancement" did Oney see?

 

He had his butt parked on the bench for most of a season at Bristol last year. He played in 2 games at Great Falls in 2008 followed by 17 games on the bench at Kanny.

 

Any players watching and concerning themselves with that type of "advancement", if you could call it that, need to look in the mirror and slap themselves.

 

OK... he got one game at Charlotte. But there was logic behind that. The Knights needed a 2nd baseman for a meaningless end of season game. No way they were going to pull somebody up from Birmingham or W-S since both of those teams were preparing for their league playoffs. So, they had to bring someone up from Kannapolis. Was there any other low A-ball 2nd baseman who was passed over for 1 game callup to AAA.... somebody who did so well that they were worthy of that callup? No.

Edited September 17, 2008 by scenario

[santo=dorf]

Oney Guillen = Sofia Coppola in the Godfather III.

[Dick Allen]

What "advancement" did Oney see?

 

He had his butt parked on the bench for most of a season at Bristol last year. He played in 2 games at Great Falls in 2008 followed by 17 games on the bench at Kanny.

 

Any players watching and concerning themselves with that type of "advancement", if you could call it that, need to look in the mirror and slap themselves.

 

OK... he got one game at Charlotte. But there was logic behind that. The Knights needed a 2nd baseman for a meaningless end of season game. No way they were going to pull somebody up from Birmingham or W-S since both of those teams were preparing for their league playoffs. So, they had to bring someone up from Kannapolis. Was there any other low A-ball 2nd baseman who was passed over for 1 game callup to AAA.... somebody who did so well that they were worthy of that callup? No.

Its nice to know you have no problem with one of the worst farm systems in baseball being a playground for relatives of others in the organization. So what he's a 36th round pick. Well, Buerhle was a 38th round pick. Good thing the White Sox didn't decide to draft JR's neighbor with 2 left feet instead that year, so maybe he could have a good time and be overmatched as a rookie. Oney, if his last name was Smith, would have at least been released after the 2007 season. If the guy's last name was anything but Guillen, he wouldn't have been drafted, and he wouldn't have received the opportunities he received, including playing one game in Charlotte. That is just wrong.

 

[santo=dorf]

If Oney's last name wasn't Guillen there would be a handful of posters here using him as an example why the Sox's farm system is so bad.

[Dick Allen]

According to baseball cube, Oney was signed by Dave Wilder. I wonder how much they had to fill his dufflebag .

[Chisoxfn]

Those late rounds are to fill rosters in the lower levels, with really zero expectations they will ever see the 40 man roster. Every team does this. But you are right, it is safer to try your best with every draft pick. But while you are taking chances, why not take a chance, you Piazza is always mentioned. He was drafted based on his sperm donor.

To add to that, Piazza was related in someway to Tommy Lasorda (that or Piazza was Lasorda's god-son but it was something like that). I've seen guys get drafted with no ability what-so-ever (That didn't start on bad high school teams). The reality is a scout was familiar and knew the guy would play an organizational type role (every team needs those sort of guys).

[Jake]

I've heard from scouts that baseball pedigree is absolutely considered and may even bump you up several rounds. Knowing that in your genes is major league talent makes a difference to their projections.

[southsider2k5]

If Oney's last name wasn't Guillen there would be a handful of posters here using him as an example why the Sox's farm system is so bad.

 

And yet here is a handful of posters using him as an example of why the Sox farm system is so bad.

[JPN366]

For what it's worth, I talked with one of the Barons players off the clock and he said that the White Sox organization was "different" and didn't mean it in a good way. He knew he was better off with another organization he had been with. "The White Sox only like guys who throw hard, they don't care about ones who can pitch." Those are some loaded statements in my opinion. I cannot say who said that out of respect to the player. But, I appreciate his honesty. Another good guy in the system who will get screwed.

[scenario]

"The White Sox only like guys who throw hard, they don't care about ones who can pitch."

 

So that's why we drafted guys like Broadway and McCulloch (Charlie Haeger... Heath Phillips... etc, etc, etc.)

 

Seems like we've been drafting soft-tossers who could "pitch" forever. I think the guy you talked to is probably a victim of the pendulum finally starting to swing the other way. Maybe the new regime is putting an emphasis on guys who have enough oomph on their fastballs to get major league hitters out. That would be a nice change.

Edited September 18, 2008 by scenario

[Palehosefan]

For what it's worth, I talked with one of the Barons players off the clock and he said that the White Sox organization was "different" and didn't mean it in a good way. He knew he was better off with another organization he had been with. "The White Sox only like guys who throw hard, they don't care about ones who can pitch." Those are some loaded statements in my opinion. I cannot say who said that out of respect to the player. But, I appreciate his honesty. Another good guy in the system who will get screwed.

 

Thanks for the info, but that just blows my mind. There's a pretty decent chance this organization has the least amount of power arms of any organization in baseball. Aaron Poreda might be standing alone in that category.

[JPN366]

So that's why we drafted guys like Broadway and McCulloch (Charlie Haeger... Heath Phillips... etc, etc, etc.)

 

Seems like we've been drafting soft-tossers who could "pitch" forever. I think the guy you talked to is probably a victim of the pendulum finally starting to swing the other way. Maybe the new regime is putting an emphasis on guys who have enough oomph on their fastballs to get major league hitters out. That would be a nice change.

 

 

He has logged time in the majors.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

He has logged time in the majors.

 

You pretty much named the player right there...

 

 

edit: well one out of a possible 3 at least

Edited September 18, 2008 by ChiSox_Sonix