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[Whitewashed in '05]

That's a pretty weak comparision. We didn't have nearly as many injuries at this time in 2005, and our bullpen was about 100 times better.

^^^

 

In 05 I never gave up hope. Not that I have given up on this team, but I have accepted the fact if we don't make the playoffs we don't deserve it.

Edited September 16, 2008 by Whitewashed in '05

[greg775]

note to ozzie Wasserman and Ramirez suck! Other than mop up duties, they shouldn't even come near the mound

 

They truly do suck. The "bad" Dotel is horrific also. I don't know what we can do unless we just decide to go with Thornton and Jenks until their arms fall off and throw Linebrink in there as well and I guess Carrasco though I think he is meat as well.

One thing is for sure: Wasserman, Logan and Ramirez should not face another batter the rest of the season. There is absolutely no reason for them to throw a pitch.

 

Who is our batting practice pitcher? Maybe that guy would like to try.

Edited September 16, 2008 by greg775

[Wanne]

That's a pretty weak comparision. We didn't have nearly as many injuries at this time in 2005, and our bullpen was about 100 times better.

 

Yeah...given how everybody's so level-headed on this site and doesn't fly off the handle. Read. That's why I said I'd like to see. Nobody compared s***.

 

sorry...I'd like to link. Everytime I try to search it doesn't let me. (safari maybe?...)

Edited September 16, 2008 by Wanne

[BearSox]

I'll be glad to see the day when none of Ehren Wasserman, Boone Logan, and Horacio Ramirez never pitch for the White Sox again.

[Wanne]

I'll be glad to see the day when none of Ehren Wasserman, Boone Logan, and Horacio Ramirez never pitch for the White Sox again.

 

Wasserman and Ramirez...yes. But Boone is an enigma. He's had some great outings early in the year...and people were singin' his praise. I think it's just between his ears for him. The other two just have no business up here IMO.

[BearSox]

Wasserman and Ramirez...yes. But Boone is an enigma. He's had some great outings early in the year...and people were singin' his praise. I think it's just between his ears for him. The other two just have no business up here IMO.

The only way I'd not be oppossed to keeping Boone Logan is if he gets his head on straight and Ozzie finally only uses him vs. lefties. However, even if he does get his head on straight, we all know Ozzie will still put him in situations where he will have to get tough outs vs. righties.

[elrockinMT]

How can some of these bull pen guys come to the park everyday and put on the uniform? 11 runs in what 7 innings these last 3 games and I didn't even try and look at last weeks games before the rains

[Buehrle>Wood]

How can some of these bull pen guys come to the park everyday and put on the uniform? 11 runs in what 7 innings these last 3 games and I didn't even try and look at last weeks games before the rains

 

 

And yet some want to trade our best arm in there(and yes, I realize he contributed to the numbers above).

[greg775]

The only way I'd not be oppossed to keeping Boone Logan is if he gets his head on straight and Ozzie finally only uses him vs. lefties. However, even if he does get his head on straight, we all know Ozzie will still put him in situations where he will have to get tough outs vs. righties.

 

I know what you are saying but it's pretty bad when the only time Oz will ever be able to use this guy is when 2 lefties are coming up. Then half the time they'll pinch hit anyway. There must be some horrible relief pitchers in minor league baseball if guys like Logan, Wasserman, Ramirez get looks from big league teams. My god.

[JohnCangelosi]

I missed the game last night but in checking the box score I CANNOT f***ING BELIEVE Ozzie put Ramirez and Wasserman in a TIED game in the 7th Inning. Everyone on this forum knows the game was over at that point. What a joke. Ozzie's a great manager but his in game decisions have always sucked. Doesn't he know these guys are mop up duty guys? It's like the whole Andy Gonzalez thing except in the bullpen all over again....MERCY we're in a f***ING PENNANT RACE OZZIE!!!!

 

[Harry Chappas]

I am interested to see how Guillen handles Swisher when Konerko comes back.

 

I will keep my thoughtsto myself as thye are not positive.

[southsider2k5]

I missed the game last night but in checking the box score I CANNOT f***ING BELIEVE Ozzie put Ramirez and Wasserman in a TIED game in the 7th Inning. Everyone on this forum knows the game was over at that point. What a joke. Ozzie's a great manager but his in game decisions have always sucked. Doesn't he know these guys are mop up duty guys? It's like the whole Andy Gonzalez thing except in the bullpen all over again....MERCY we're in a f***ING PENNANT RACE OZZIE!!!!

 

In all seriousness what are his options? He can't bring in Jenks in the 7th, and Thornton is the only other psuedo-dependable guy out there. I have said it before, and I will say it again. If none of these guys step up, we aren't winning anything anyway. He HAS to try to find SOMEONE for the 6th and 7th innings. If no one emerges, this team is either going to lose out to the Twins or get beat in the first round anyway.

[G&T]

For all the people complaining about Guillen's management of the pen, look at the Twins and tell me how Gardenhire is doing with a crap-tastic pen. A lot of people here think think the world of Gardy and hate Guillen but the fact is that when your pen sucks, there isn't much you can do.

[RockRaines]

In all seriousness what are his options? He can't bring in Jenks in the 7th, and Thornton is the only other psuedo-dependable guy out there. I have said it before, and I will say it again. If none of these guys step up, we aren't winning anything anyway. He HAS to try to find SOMEONE for the 6th and 7th innings. If no one emerges, this team is either going to lose out to the Twins or get beat in the first round anyway.

Thorton wasnt available either, and I believe Dotel was out as well. Basically he had no other options, but I would just let the previous poster vent his frustration, no matter how incorrect his comments are.

[almagest]

In all seriousness what are his options? He can't bring in Jenks in the 7th, and Thornton is the only other psuedo-dependable guy out there. I have said it before, and I will say it again. If none of these guys step up, we aren't winning anything anyway. He HAS to try to find SOMEONE for the 6th and 7th innings. If no one emerges, this team is either going to lose out to the Twins or get beat in the first round anyway.

You're right, but some people don't care about that. They need a scapegoat, and Ozzie's convenient.

[JohnCangelosi]

You're right, but some people don't care about that. They need a scapegoat, and Ozzie's convenient.

Don't get me wrong I like Ozzie as a manager because he's the boss and he runs the clubhouse, no personality is stronger. However, I would bring in MacDougal a million times before Horrible Ramirez. With all the s*** he gets he STILL has a 1.88 ERA and he proved he was a worthy pen guy over the other two bums yesterday I see in the box score. And if Thornton AND Liney AND Dotel were not available, then, s***, I guess we have no other options but that's just ridiculous when every game counts? Does their pussy hurt? What is the problem? BS. Those guys will have plenty of rest beginning on September 29th if they keep going in this direction.

[whitesoxfan101]

Nothing makes a manager look dumber than having a bad bullpen. We saw it with Ozzie in 2007, we're seeing it now late in 2008, and we're even seeing it with Ron Gardenhire in Minnesota. It's not the fault of the manager when his bullpen sucks either. You can't keep the starter in all game as it's not 1979, and there isn't much you can do if almost every different person you bring in sucks.

[fathom]

In all seriousness what are his options? He can't bring in Jenks in the 7th, and Thornton is the only other psuedo-dependable guy out there. I have said it before, and I will say it again. If none of these guys step up, we aren't winning anything anyway. He HAS to try to find SOMEONE for the 6th and 7th innings. If no one emerges, this team is either going to lose out to the Twins or get beat in the first round anyway.

 

The thing is, there are better options than Wassermann. MacDougal, Carrasco, or Russell could have easily been brought in last night to start the 7th inning. Also, what's the point of playing match-ups with Ramirez if hitters are going to bat over .350 against him? The combination of Ramirez and Wassermann has lost us 3 games in the past 2 weeks.

[Chisoxfn]

I am interested to see how Guillen handles Swisher when Konerko comes back.

 

I will keep my thoughtsto myself as thye are not positive.

Here's one bloggers opinion:

http://www.chisport.com/index/?p=53

 

I personally agree heavily with it. Swisher is hitting like .199 post ASB. The guy is f***ing horrible. He's had some clutch homers but is by far and away the biggest dissapointment on the entire roster.

[RockRaines]

Don't get me wrong I like Ozzie as a manager because he's the boss and he runs the clubhouse, no personality is stronger. However, I would bring in MacDougal a million times before Horrible Ramirez. With all the s*** he gets he STILL has a 1.88 ERA and he proved he was a worthy pen guy over the other two bums yesterday I see in the box score. And if Thornton AND Liney AND Dotel were not available, then, s***, I guess we have no other options but that's just ridiculous when every game counts? Does their pussy hurt? What is the problem? BS. Those guys will have plenty of rest beginning on September 29th if they keep going in this direction.

Does their pussy hurt? Really?

 

we had a double header the DAY before this game, the Twins were losing, most of our top relievers werent available. It happens, another game off the magic number.

[Chisoxfn]

Thorton wasnt available either, and I believe Dotel was out as well. Basically he had no other options, but I would just let the previous poster vent his frustration, no matter how incorrect his comments are.

MacDougall was available and he's lightyears better than either of those turds. Horacio has some of the worse stuff I've seen from a major league pitcher this season and Ehren is horrid.

[Harry Chappas]

MacDougall was available and he's lightyears better than either of those turds. Horacio has some of the worse stuff I've seen from a major league pitcher this season and Ehren is horrid.

 

My thoughts are that Guillen is liking what he sees in McDougal and after Wassermen couldn't get the one guy he was suppossed to out the whole thing was shot to hell and then Ramirez ended any chance of winning that game.

 

It seems that Wasserman is getting more opportunites than Russell which is odd.

 

I agree with the link you posted. I think Swisher is useless right now...DeWayne Wise has more big hits in my mind and I think Griffey may give a spark they need that Swisher has failed to do.

 

To me Swisher is the biggest weakness on this team right now, bullpen guys included.

[RockRaines]

MacDougall was available and he's lightyears better than either of those turds. Horacio has some of the worse stuff I've seen from a major league pitcher this season and Ehren is horrid.

Right, McD should have pitched the 7th 8th and 9th innings......Thats his role.

[fathom]

Right, McD should have pitched the 7th 8th and 9th innings......Thats his role.

 

The only person who wasn't available yesterday was Thornton (according to pregame). These guys had 2 days off prior to the DH on Sunday. MacDougal in the 7th, Dotel in the 8th, Jenks for the 9th. There's really no excuse to ever use Wassermann, Ramirez, or Logan in a close game with the way the standings are.

[DBAHO]

Once Betemit came in to pinch hit, Ozzie really needed to go to another RHP in the pen (if he had one up, I can't remember) instead of leaving Ramirez in there.

 

That was the killer.