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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 08:41 AM)
I'm so on board with that it's ridiculous.

 

 

I have been a proponent of acquiring Baldelli for some time, and though that disorder really hurt him for awhile, he's come back strong and seems to have put that in the rearview mirror, hitting .281 with a .349 OBP. He'd be an excellent 4th OF to get about 400 at bats and backup all OF positions (and if he really impresses possibly supplant Swish).

Baldelli cant really play the field very often and is really best suited as a DH, he also cannot play on consecutive days due to his disease. So basically you have a platoon DH with possible sporatic every several days OF duty. Pretty crappy player to acquire really.

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QUOTE (almagest @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:09 AM)
Wikipedia on Mitochondrial Diseases

 

Any sort of disease that affects the "generators" of your cells = bad. Baldelli probably doesn't have much baseball left in him, unfortunately.

He certainly doesnt. Its a nice comeback story for this year, but the kid wont be long for the majors.

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They cleaned out his locker because he won't be back this year, due to his injury. He's hurt. This idea that his rehab is being drawn out too long by Boras is ridiculous. It would make zero sense to do that from any perspective.

 

So long, Joe. You'll be missed by many Sox fans. Hopefully, you can find a solution to your back issues and make a comeback later.

 

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QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 10:56 PM)
Maggs. Name another agent that will land a player in the DL with a very handsome contract?

 

Would you rather have Boras as your agent, or as the agent for the team you are trying to land a contract with?

 

If my only goal was playing for the Sox, I would not even need a agent, I could just take whatever contract they offered.

 

 

I dont think Boras is going to be able to pull the same crap with Crede as he did with Maggs. Maggs is and always has been a pure hitter, the guy can hit anything. His knee wasnt going to prevent him from coming back and at least being a DH. Crede's back prevents him from being the very thing that he excels at, an elite defender, and on top of that he cant hit either.

 

I will be VERY surprised if Boras can get anything more than a 2 year deal with the second year being a mutual option. Crede has to prove himself and his back healthy, and this year was the year to do it. Next year he is back to square one without the Sox to fall back on.

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QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 03:22 PM)
Crede's back prevents him from being the very thing that he excels at, an elite defender, and on top of that he cant hit either.

 

exactly, and his error totals for the time he played this year are not going to help either

 

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QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 11:24 AM)
Beltre, plz...crap, nevermind.

Depending on what the new Seattle GM will ask for him (maybe Pat Gillick at this stage), I'd say that could very well be an option.

 

I would certainly use Fields in a deal to get Beltre if that's what it took, but we'd have to give up more I'd say.

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I'm not sure I buy the 'cleaned out his locker' story.

 

We heard last week from a couple of reporters that Crede had left the team... and Joe has clearly been visible in the dugout since.

 

So... I'll believe it when I see it.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 09:51 AM)
Baldelli cant really play the field very often and is really best suited as a DH, he also cannot play on consecutive days due to his disease. So basically you have a platoon DH with possible sporatic every several days OF duty. Pretty crappy player to acquire really.

Color me corrected...

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QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:05 AM)
Does Q have his locker cleaned out? It's my understanding Joe could play right now if Ozzie would let him. When he was taken out of the lineup this last time, he thought it would only be a few days. I'd be curious to see if Contreras even has a cleaned out locker.

 

It's not a pretty situation.

Q might come back this season. As I read it in the Trib the other day, Crede is back to just doing stretches now, and won't be able to be back because of his injury.

 

I suppose its all a matter of interperetation, though. WE don't really know exactly what is going on in there.

 

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Wolfmeyer heard the Sox are fed up with Crede's Boras-influenced drawn-out rehab from another back injury.

 

this seems to imply that Crede is not going along with how the Sox want him to re-hab, which is weird. Are they trying to suggest that Joe is healthy enough to play but is choosing not to? I don't get it. And I doubt that's true.

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QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 08:51 AM)
this seems to imply that Crede is not going along with how the Sox want him to re-hab, which is weird. Are they trying to suggest that Joe is healthy enough to play but is choosing not to? I don't get it. And I doubt that's true.

Well...frankly, on that part this wouldn't be the first time that Boras's people and the Sox's people had disagreed about treatment for a player's injury. Hell it woulnd't be the first time they'd disagreed about Crede.

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The rumor going around on another site is that the Sox believe Boras has talked to the Angels about Crede going there next season, and with those "negotiations" going well, he's advised Crede to not take any chances the rest of this season. The White Sox were made aware of this, and they told Crede/Boras to f*** off.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 01:23 PM)
The rumor going around on another site is that the Sox believe Boras has talked to the Angels about Crede going there next season, and with those "negotiations" going well, he's advised Crede to not take any chances the rest of this season. The White Sox were made aware of this, and they told Crede/Boras to f*** off.

 

Sounds like speculation gone wild to me.

 

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QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 07:26 PM)
Sounds like speculation gone wild to me.

 

Same person who broke the Quentin story the night before it went public that it was "real bad". Who knows what's fact or fiction, but I do know that there's more to this story than the Sox just wanting to create more clubhouse space for the call-ups, etc.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 01:23 PM)
The rumor going around on another site is that the Sox believe Boras has talked to the Angels about Crede going there next season, and with those "negotiations" going well, he's advised Crede to not take any chances the rest of this season. The White Sox were made aware of this, and they told Crede/Boras to f*** off.

 

The Angels are tampering? Interesting.

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QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 15, 2008 -> 09:56 PM)
Maggs. Name another agent that will land a player in the DL with a very handsome contract?

 

Would you rather have Boras as your agent, or as the agent for the team you are trying to land a contract with?

 

If my only goal was playing for the Sox, I would not even need a agent, I could just take whatever contract they offered.

If I remember right, the Maggs contract was amazing. I think Maggs had some sort of injury that very few baseball players have had, and it was very unclear on how he would bounce back.

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 01:07 PM)
If I remember right, the Maggs contract was amazing. I think Maggs had some sort of injury that very few baseball players have had, and it was very unclear on how he would bounce back.

 

He has an injury that will limit his range of motion and running ability in the future. It is essentially traumatic arthritis. His hyaline cartilage (not the meniscus but the covering of the bone) was injured just like the wearing down in arthritis. This cartilage has no blood supply. He had an experimental procedure done that is not approved in the US. It uses sound waves to create microfractures in the bone to get blood to the cartilage to hopefully stimulate healing. Now it just a question of how much if any healing occurred and how long before he is unable to run. It could be next year it could be in 10 years. This is why the contract was based on amount of time on the DL related to his knee for the first year or two.

 

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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:23 AM)
The rumor going around on another site is that the Sox believe Boras has talked to the Angels about Crede going there next season, and with those "negotiations" going well, he's advised Crede to not take any chances the rest of this season. The White Sox were made aware of this, and they told Crede/Boras to f*** off.

call me sentimental or even idealistic, but i just don't see Joe Crede as one of those guys who would go along with that. If he could play he would play, I think he wants to be out there competing and trying to make another run in the playoffs.

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