fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (oz615 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 04:53 AM) I guess the only positive is the Ozzie is apologizing to the fans for the team choking during to post game press conference. Good, then hopefully he's submit his letter of resignation if they don't make it to Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) do people really think this is true? As dumb as it sounds, I think there's something to it, daa. Or else they realize they ain't got it w/out CQ. You lose so many games in weird ways (mainly bullpen implosions by guys who shouldn't be in the big leagues since Joe Morgan opened his big fat mouth) I think it finally gets to you. I may be mistaken. How many times can you blow a game afore you pretty much give up. We're toast. As far as fathom's comment: Good, then hopefully he's submit his letter of resignation if they don't make it to Monday. Oz deserves his share of blame for total failure to field even an average team in September, but who do you want to manage this crew next season? Sure he could quit or get axed. It'd probably be some guy in our minor league system. Buddy Bell is not the answer. Edited September 27, 2008 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 04:53 AM) do people really think this is true? I saw a lot of energy from the hitters today. It's just our pitching sucked and we treated this like game #50 and not game #159. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want2Repeat Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 10:53 PM) Will Horacio Ramirez, Boone Logan, DJ Carrasco, Mike MacDougal, and Ehren Wasserman be released after Monday? Is there a reason we couldn't use Clayton Richard or Lance Broadway instead of those worthless guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) Tony then you explain it. That it's "just baseball?" Please comment on my above take on the matter. Edited September 27, 2008 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 10:55 PM) As dumb as it sounds, I think there's something to it, daa. Or else they realize they ain't got it w/out CQ. You lose so many games in weird ways (mainly bullpen implosions by guys who shouldn't be in the big leagues since Joe Morgan opened his big fat mouth) I think it finally gets to you. I may be mistaken. How many times can you blow a game afore you pretty much give up. We're toast. i mean, i understand we don't have as much energy as the twins...but winning brings about energy, not the other way around....even still, we dont look alive out there, but i think its ridiculous to state that "we don't care about winning"....in fact i think the poor body language suggests we do care....we just arent winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (Want2Repeat @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 04:56 AM) Is there a reason we couldn't use Clayton Richard or Lance Broadway instead of those worthless guys? You bring Dotel in the 5th inning, as we needed some strike outs in that situation. Instead we bring in Carrasco, who hasn't pitched in a meaningful situation in weeks. Ramirez literally should never step on the field during a game for the White Sox ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 10:53 PM) do people really think this is true? No it's not. That's the dumbest thing I've heard around these parts in awhile. I worked in a MINOR LEAGUE clubhouse this past summer, and a Major League Organization a couple of years ago. We missed the playoffs by one game each time. Nearly every guy in that clubhouse was depressed and some were in tears. I find it hard to believe it would be different elsewhere. These guys go to the park and are there 5 to 6 hours before first pitch. They do lifting, conditioning, take BP, and do whatever they see fit to get better. Sometimes you hit bad streaks, sometimes you have bad luck, and sometimes you lose all confidence in yourself when things are going bad. The Sox have two games left, they can show up everyday at the park, but if they can't regain their confidence you can forget about playing on Monday. To say they don't care about winning is stupid. It's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) Will Horacio Ramirez, Boone Logan, DJ Carrasco, Mike MacDougal, and Ehren Wasserman be released after Monday? This says a lot about why we don't deserve to play postseason ball (not that the Twins do). My god. Mike MacDougal should never ever have been allowed to join the big league team this season. Any team willing to give that guy the ball deserves to not make the playoffs. The other guys ... oh my god how bad they are. All of em. Horrific pitchers all. I'd hesitate to rank them in order of cruddiness. Too bad Dotel didn't join the fray tonight and add to the KC Royal horrificness of this Royals-led bullpen. Edited September 27, 2008 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want2Repeat Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 10:58 PM) You bring Dotel in the 5th inning, as we needed some strike outs in that situation. Instead we bring in Carrasco, who hasn't pitched in a meaningful situation in weeks. Ramirez literally should never step on the field during a game for the White Sox ever again. Agreed, along with MacDougal, Logan, Wasserman and probably a couple of others I am not thinking of. Still, one of our aces, Danks gives up 7 runs, after collecting only 9 outs. Brilliant. Does everyone on this team have some kind of wuss syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 It'll be a blessing, if there is such a thing, when this season ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 These guys go to the park and are there 5 to 6 hours before first pitch. They do lifting, conditioning, take BP, and do whatever they see fit to get better. Sometimes you hit bad streaks, sometimes you have bad luck, and sometimes you lose all confidence in yourself when things are going bad. The Sox have two games left, they can show up everyday at the park, but if they can't regain their confidence you can forget about playing on Monday. To say they don't care about winning is stupid. It's that simple. I can buy these points. You might be right. I still say there's something to my take as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 If you truly believe the team doesn't care about winning, it's not worth my effort Fine, you don't want to address my points which I think are somewhat valid. Sorry I asked you to put out the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 (edited) Not many unfortunately. I've unfortunately had to follow the action on espn.com or yahoo.com and in the game threads. If they haven't quit ... then the only excuse I'll buy is that the loss of CQ finally demoralized them as well as the many bullpen implosions. I mean baseball players aren't dumb. They realize these relievers with the exception of Bobby and Thornton are dogs***. And don't tell me Dotel is good. (Liney gets a pass because of his injury). If they haven't quit I'll say they are simply demoralized and have thrown up their hands. Edited September 27, 2008 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Greg...maybe they're really just not that good of a team. This team should be an 85-86 win team in a tough division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Is there a reason we couldn't use Clayton Richard or Lance Broadway instead of those worthless guys? Does anyone truly believe either of these guys could go more than an inning w/out giving up a run? Bless them for trying as younguns, but I dunno. I do agree I'd rather see them than the guys you mentioned. That is something Oz could legitimately be second guessed on when this thing mercifully comes to an end. But does anybody really have confidence in those two either at this stage of their development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 04:16 AM) Does anyone truly believe either of these guys could go more than an inning w/out giving up a run? Bless them for trying as younguns, but I dunno. I do agree I'd rather see them than the guys you mentioned. That is something Oz could legitimately be second guessed on when this thing mercifully comes to an end. But does anybody really have confidence in those two either at this stage of their development? Richard's showed a lot of ability the first time through the order. Ozzie felt he was good enough to let him face Nady in the 7th inning of a one run game...but now we're pitching Ramirez over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Does anyone truly believe either of these guys could go more than an inning w/out giving up a run? Bless them for trying as younguns, but I dunno. I do agree I'd rather see them than the guys you mentioned. That is something Oz could legitimately be second guessed on when this thing mercifully comes to an end. But does anybody really have confidence in those two either at this stage of their development? Such a stupid defense. So you'd prefer Ramirez and friends over Broadway and Richard? For one, when s*** doesn't work, you gotta try new things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 Look at this way. Going into this series, we knew our goal was to match the Twins in order to force the Detroit makeup game. Well, we came closer towards accomplishing that goal tonight. Of course, it's frustrating because it was a double loss and we failed to take advantage of an opportunity to regain the lead, but the truth is that things are no different from where they were 24 hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 04:24 AM) Look at this way. Going into this series, we knew our goal was to match the Twins in order to force the Detroit makeup game. Well, we came closer towards accomplishing that goal tonight. Of course, it's frustrating because it was a double loss and we failed to take advantage of an opportunity to regain the lead, but the truth is that things are no different from where they were 24 hours ago. Agreed, and the Royals showed they'll have some fire this wknd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 No I'd prefer the guys who actually "may" have big league potential. All of those relievers mentioned are hacks. In my opinion we have three big league relievers -- Jenks and Thornton and Linebrink when healthy. I don't like Dotel either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 05:25 AM) No I'd prefer the guys who actually "may" have big league potential. All of those relievers mentioned are hacks. In my opinion we have three big league relievers -- Jenks and Thornton and Linebrink when healthy. I don't like Dotel either. At this point, Dotel is significantly better than Linebrink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 So you are basing your strong opinions off box scores? Your going to make judgments on players energy and drive based on stats? I follow the team in enough ways to have a legitimate opinion. I'm not saying I'm right. I have an educated opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 11:27 PM) I follow the team in enough ways to have a legitimate opinion. I'm not saying I'm right. I have an educated opinion though. Your 'educated opinion' is that the team doesn't care about winning? Man, I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted September 27, 2008 Share Posted September 27, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 11:35 PM) Your 'educated opinion' is that the team doesn't care about winning? Man, I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue. lol, what a joke saying this team doesn't care about winning is just as glaring an implication as saying they've already booked their tee times get over yourselves people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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