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How can you not love Oz or continue to love Oz win or lose tomorrow after this story?

The reason I love him is he "gets it."

 

By Mark Gonzales

Chicago Tribune

(MCT)

CHICAGO — The message on the clubhouse bulletin board summed up the White Sox’s mission: “(Forget) feelings. It’s about winning!!!!”

After a week in which Nick Swisher acknowledged his disappointment over being benched, Orlando Cabrera irked some teammates and Javier Vazquez swore at catcher A.J. Pierzynski, the Sox were reminded of their mission before Sunday’s 5-1 victory over Cleveland, which kept their postseason hopes alive.

“I don’t care about (players’ feelings),” manager Ozzie Guillen said before the game. “They don’t care about mine. I never heard any player come to me and say, ’How are you feeling today?’ Only my wife told me this morning, ’How do you feel?’ I feel fine.”

Guillen emphasized it would be a long and bitter off-season if the Sox failed to make the playoffs.

“The only way we’re going to feel good about this, the only way we might not hate each other in the off-season, is we win,” Guillen said. “That’s it. It’s going to take a little while to get over this one if we don’t go where we’re supposed to go.

“It’s not going to be easy for me to get over it if we don’t do what we’re supposed to do.”

One player believed Vazquez’s cursing was good, simply because the players saw angry emotions they had never witnessed from him. It showed the mild-mannered pitcher cares.

Meanwhile, Guillen estimated he got along with his players about 70 percent of the time.

“That’s pretty good,” he said. “But the feelings we have for them, it’s different when it’s on the field and off the field. When it’s on the field, I have a job. Off the field, I love them to death.

“But on the field I’m the manager ... and some players maybe like it and some players maybe don’t. But that’s why I’m their manager, to make decisions. I might make the wrong one, but the one I make has to be respected.”

 

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I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just curious as to how this began.

 

Something I read in some thread somewhere on here, and then driving home from the game today I think it was Holmes or Rogers on WSCR that said something to that extent, and later said IF Walker gets another offseason to work on things with Nick he might bounce back. Then there are the rumblings that he's unhappy, feels the pressure (which I hadn't heard of until today...). I'm of the opinion that down years are not unheard of, and even then the guy had his HR total in the mid 20's, and stepped in nicely at first when Paul was down. Writing him out of this story is rash and premature to say the least.

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QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 10:22 PM)
Why do I keep hearing that Swisher is going to request/demand a trade? What is this, the NFL?

I'm not saying it's true or even makes sense but if Nick Swisher wants to demand a trade in the offseason he will be totally within his rights to do so. A player who is traded during a multi-year contract may demand a trade from his new club in the offseason. If Swisher does demand a trade this offseason and isn't dealt by March 15th, 2009 he will become a free agent. Worked for Javy Vazquez.

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If we can't beat the Tigers in our home stadium when they are in last place and having a bad month we don't deserve to move on. It's in the Cell and we have much to play for and they nothing. I know it's baseball and anything can happen as we found out this past 2 weeks. But if we can 't beat the Tigers of this year, we deserve to sit home or in Oz's case flee. Did you read he's planned his getaway in case we lose. He doesn't want to see dejected fans at Midway or O'Hare so he's thinking about a private plane or driving to Milw. to get out.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2008 -> 12:07 AM)
If we can't beat the Tigers in our home stadium when they are in last place and having a bad month we don't deserve to move on. It's in the Cell and we have much to play for and they nothing. I know it's baseball and anything can happen as we found out this past 2 weeks. But if we can 't beat the Tigers of this year, we deserve to sit home or in Oz's case flee. Did you read he's planned his getaway in case we lose. He doesn't want to see dejected fans at Midway or O'Hare so he's thinking about a private plane or driving to Milw. to get out.

 

Why would he? He is apparently the worst manager in the history of the white sox. Not his fault he only has a 2 man bulpen and no hitters.

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I would encourage all of you to email Oz as I am telling him that's stupid. Feel free to fly out of O'Hare or Midway.

True Sox fans don't blame him or if they blame him don't want to yell at him in person.

 

They blame the injury gods and the baseball gods.

Just ask Mets fans how s*** happens in this damn lovable sport.

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QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 11:46 PM)
I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just curious as to how this began.

 

Something I read in some thread somewhere on here, and then driving home from the game today I think it was Holmes or Rogers on WSCR that said something to that extent, and later said IF Walker gets another offseason to work on things with Nick he might bounce back. Then there are the rumblings that he's unhappy, feels the pressure (which I hadn't heard of until today...). I'm of the opinion that down years are not unheard of, and even then the guy had his HR total in the mid 20's, and stepped in nicely at first when Paul was down. Writing him out of this story is rash and premature to say the least.

 

That sounds like they could be questioning if Walker will be back. A valid question, too.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2008 -> 03:03 AM)
I would encourage all of you to email Oz as I am telling him that's stupid. Feel free to fly out of O'Hare or Midway.

True Sox fans don't blame him or if they blame him don't want to yell at him in person.

 

They blame the injury gods and the baseball gods.

Just ask Mets fans how s*** happens in this damn lovable sport.

 

That's bulls***. So, we can't question the manager or else we're not real fans?

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