whitesoxfan101 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) Now that it's all over, what do you think? Obviously the Twins wouldn't be appealing to major league baseball over this system's future had they won on Tuesday, but do you agree with their premise that there should only be a coin flip if the season series is tied, and otherwise the series winner should get home field? I'd assume it can't be done that way based on logistics, but I am curious as to your thoughts. My thought on it is that is not always a fair way to go either. For example, I believe the Sox and Twins both had 9 home games in the season series this year, but what about if say the Sox had tied Tampa Bay for the Wild Card? That season series had 7 games in Tampa and only 3 up here, so how fair is it to decide home field based on that? Edited October 2, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 It was never an issue before, why now? f*** the Twins. Just leave it how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) It was never an issue before, why now? f*** the Twins. Just leave it how it is. The funniest stuff I've heard is that it should be like the other sports where there is no tiebreaker game at all, and head to head should be the tiebreaker, and if that is tied, they should go to some other tiebreaker to determine a winner. Edited October 2, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 +1 Amazing how this is only raised when the winner of the season series loses home field advantage on a coin flip. If Bobby Jenks doesn't blow last Thursday's game, there ain't no tiebreaker anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Has this issue been raised any other time in the history of a tie-breaking game? IIRC, the home team holds a 5-3 edge in the tiebreaking game. Its not like the away team has been skunked every time. How about next time you go into a black hole, you dont have the best hitter in the league bunt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) It's not fair? You know what? Life isn't fair. Nobody was complaining about it after they swept us and danced all over the field. This is like the Cubs fans b****ing about the 5 game series after they lost the first game at home. Nobody gives a s*** about anything until it doesn't go their way and then they want to cry that its not fair. Edited October 2, 2008 by Leonard Zelig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 2, 2008 Author Share Posted October 2, 2008 (edited) One other thing I'll say is that if the Twins could have won 2 out of 3 at home against the Royals (instead of only taking 1 and finishing 5-4 at home against Kansas City), they wouldn't have had to worry about what we did MONDAY, let alone travel here and play on Tuesday, since they'd have clinched Sunday afternoon in that senario at the latest. Edited October 2, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Rules are the rules, there is no fair way. The Sox could argue if it wasnt for poor umpiring in numerous games the Sox would have won 2 more this season and not have had to play the final game at all. They have no one to blame except for themselves... I mean should the Angels be complaining because they went 8-1 against the Red Sox in the regular season and now there playoff advantage is nullified by 1 bad game? Its like Cubs fans who are b****ing that 5 game series should be a 7 game series (want to bet if they swept in 3 thered be no complaints). Get over it, if the Twins deserved to be in the playoffs they would have scored a run against the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 I think coin flipping is stupid, it should go towards something else.. just.. having your fate determined by the side of a coin to me is eh. however like yall said rules are rules.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 QUOTE (CryptviLL @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:42 PM) I think coin flipping is stupid, it should go towards something else.. just.. having your fate determined by the side of a coin to me is eh. however like yall said rules are rules.. John Danks determined their fate, not the coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) It was never an issue before, why now? f*** the Twins. Just leave it how it is. That's exactly it. It's been like this for over 100 years, why is it an issue now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 QUOTE (CryptviLL @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:42 PM) I think coin flipping is stupid, it should go towards something else.. just.. having your fate determined by the side of a coin to me is eh. however like yall said rules are rules.. Fate just determined where they would play. I know I wouldn't be b****ing about the fricken coin flip if the Sox played in Minny and lost. I'd be b****ing about hitting, pitching, etc... It's a coin flip, the chance is 50/50...you can't get any more fair than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place. BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place. BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html Wow, there are smart people in Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place. BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html That man is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 2, 2008 Share Posted October 2, 2008 Let's be honest here, or lie if you would like, but this board would be up in arms had we had to travel to the horrorf***dome, and lost per usual, no doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 06:45 PM) Let's be honest here, or lie if you would like, but this board would be up in arms had we had to travel to the horrorf***dome, and lost per usual, no doubt about it. Of course some people here would flip out over that, because some people here flip out over every little thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 lol in that Star Tribune article someone said the writer would find an excuse for the Twins blowing it if they were both 100-62. I know what he's getting at, but if they were both 100-62, they'd both make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Historically, six one-game playoffs whose sites were determined by coin-flips have actually been played -- and visitors won four of them. The most famous example is 1978's ultimate game, in which Bucky Dent's home run into the Fenway Park netting beat Boston, 5-4, to send the Yankees to the AL Championship Series. Other teams to lose coin-flips but win games were the 1948 Indians (also in Boston), the 1980 Astros (in Dodger Stadium) and the 1999 Mets, who won at Cincinnati to claim the NL Wild Card. The only two teams to make good on this home-field advantage thus were the 1995 Mariners, who won the AL West with a 9-1 trouncing of the Angels in the Kingdome, and the 1998 Cubs, who claimed the NL Wild Card in Wrigley Field with a 5-3 victory over the Giants. I prefer scenarios that involve performance on the field to a mid level executive playing heads or tails over the telephone. Or at least make it somewhat more of a skill challenge, perhaps tic tac toe? I also prefer using the largest equal sample size. So if the 162 game schedule is tied, I would use all league play, then division, then head to head, then a coin flip. It would also eliminate the endless coin flipping that occurs some years and the "emergency" coin flips that occur when some team goes on a 18-2 tear later in the season. And CC makes a good point that a coin flip is 50-50 and is fair, but the other seven teams are in the playoffs because of games won and lost. The sport is baseball, and baseball should be what is used to break any tie. A coin flip should be the last, not first, choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place. BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html I'm certain he is probably the Jay Mariotti of Minneapolis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Oct 3, 2008 -> 08:05 AM) I'm certain he is probably the Jay Mariotti of Minneapolis. My roommate really likes him, and is a Twins fan. I don't know any Sox fans that liked Mariotti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 it likely has something to do with logistics. A MLB series has a lot of things that have to go into it, so they probably have to book rooms, flights, etc. a week or two in advance. I imagine a series prior they reserve rooms in every possible city and just eat a deposit for the city that doesn't make it. If you left it to best record it could be determined on the last day. It's probably an old system that with technology they don't need anymore, but that is my guess on why they started it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 3, 2008 -> 09:29 AM) it likely has something to do with logistics. A MLB series has a lot of things that have to go into it, so they probably have to book rooms, flights, etc. a week or two in advance. I imagine a series prior they reserve rooms in every possible city and just eat a deposit for the city that doesn't make it. If you left it to best record it could be determined on the last day. It's probably an old system that with technology they don't need anymore, but that is my guess on why they started it. That is a good point, but I wonder how many of those scenarios were that close? The stadiums that were possibilities were all ready "in case" this would just mean a few more stadiums may have to be ready. Look at the Twins, they were ready to fly to Chicago or St. Petersburg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Oct 3, 2008 -> 08:37 AM) That is a good point, but I wonder how many of those scenarios were that close? True, it would be interesting to know, probably not very many. Like I said, I could understand when everything had to be done via telephone or mail, but with modern technology, they could easily go to best record, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 The problem is not with the head to head comparison, but how the other tie-breakers before it can be affected by the schedule. For example, the Sox only played 80 home games before they played the Twins (even though they were credited with 81). The Baltimore game that started as a home game, ended up as a road game. The Sox got hit with a home loss in that game, in Baltimore. Also, I don't like comparisons in records, because two teams never play the same exact schedule. How about Strength of Schedule? The Sox had a harder SoS than Minnesota with the same record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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