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Now that it's all over, what do you think? Obviously the Twins wouldn't be appealing to major league baseball over this system's future had they won on Tuesday, but do you agree with their premise that there should only be a coin flip if the season series is tied, and otherwise the series winner should get home field? I'd assume it can't be done that way based on logistics, but I am curious as to your thoughts.

 

My thought on it is that is not always a fair way to go either. For example, I believe the Sox and Twins both had 9 home games in the season series this year, but what about if say the Sox had tied Tampa Bay for the Wild Card? That season series had 7 games in Tampa and only 3 up here, so how fair is it to decide home field based on that?

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QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:27 PM)
It was never an issue before, why now? f*** the Twins. Just leave it how it is.

 

The funniest stuff I've heard is that it should be like the other sports where there is no tiebreaker game at all, and head to head should be the tiebreaker, and if that is tied, they should go to some other tiebreaker to determine a winner.

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Has this issue been raised any other time in the history of a tie-breaking game?

 

IIRC, the home team holds a 5-3 edge in the tiebreaking game. Its not like the away team has been skunked every time.

 

How about next time you go into a black hole, you dont have the best hitter in the league bunt?

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It's not fair? You know what? Life isn't fair. Nobody was complaining about it after they swept us and danced all over the field. This is like the Cubs fans b****ing about the 5 game series after they lost the first game at home. Nobody gives a s*** about anything until it doesn't go their way and then they want to cry that its not fair.

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One other thing I'll say is that if the Twins could have won 2 out of 3 at home against the Royals (instead of only taking 1 and finishing 5-4 at home against Kansas City), they wouldn't have had to worry about what we did MONDAY, let alone travel here and play on Tuesday, since they'd have clinched Sunday afternoon in that senario at the latest.

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Rules are the rules, there is no fair way.

 

The Sox could argue if it wasnt for poor umpiring in numerous games the Sox would have won 2 more this season and not have had to play the final game at all.

 

They have no one to blame except for themselves...

 

I mean should the Angels be complaining because they went 8-1 against the Red Sox in the regular season and now there playoff advantage is nullified by 1 bad game?

 

Its like Cubs fans who are b****ing that 5 game series should be a 7 game series (want to bet if they swept in 3 thered be no complaints).

 

Get over it, if the Twins deserved to be in the playoffs they would have scored a run against the Sox.

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QUOTE (CryptviLL @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:42 PM)
I think coin flipping is stupid, it should go towards something else.. just.. having your fate determined by the side of a coin to me is eh.

 

however like yall said rules are rules..

 

John Danks determined their fate, not the coin.

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QUOTE (CryptviLL @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 12:42 PM)
I think coin flipping is stupid, it should go towards something else.. just.. having your fate determined by the side of a coin to me is eh.

 

however like yall said rules are rules..

Fate just determined where they would play. I know I wouldn't be b****ing about the fricken coin flip if the Sox played in Minny and lost. I'd be b****ing about hitting, pitching, etc... It's a coin flip, the chance is 50/50...you can't get any more fair than that.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 01:03 PM)
A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place.

 

BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html

Wow, there are smart people in Minnesota.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 01:03 PM)
A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place.

 

BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html

 

That man is awesome.

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QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 06:45 PM)
Let's be honest here, or lie if you would like, but this board would be up in arms had we had to travel to the horrorf***dome, and lost per usual, no doubt about it.

 

Of course some people here would flip out over that, because some people here flip out over every little thing.

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Historically, six one-game playoffs whose sites were determined by coin-flips have actually been played -- and visitors won four of them.

 

The most famous example is 1978's ultimate game, in which Bucky Dent's home run into the Fenway Park netting beat Boston, 5-4, to send the Yankees to the AL Championship Series.

 

Other teams to lose coin-flips but win games were the 1948 Indians (also in Boston), the 1980 Astros (in Dodger Stadium) and the 1999 Mets, who won at Cincinnati to claim the NL Wild Card.

 

The only two teams to make good on this home-field advantage thus were the 1995 Mariners, who won the AL West with a 9-1 trouncing of the Angels in the Kingdome, and the 1998 Cubs, who claimed the NL Wild Card in Wrigley Field with a 5-3 victory over the Giants.

 

I prefer scenarios that involve performance on the field to a mid level executive playing heads or tails over the telephone. Or at least make it somewhat more of a skill challenge, perhaps tic tac toe?

 

I also prefer using the largest equal sample size. So if the 162 game schedule is tied, I would use all league play, then division, then head to head, then a coin flip. It would also eliminate the endless coin flipping that occurs some years and the "emergency" coin flips that occur when some team goes on a 18-2 tear later in the season.

 

And CC makes a good point that a coin flip is 50-50 and is fair, but the other seven teams are in the playoffs because of games won and lost. The sport is baseball, and baseball should be what is used to break any tie. A coin flip should be the last, not first, choice.

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QUOTE (Felix @ Oct 2, 2008 -> 01:03 PM)
A coin flip is stupid, but I don't necessarily think that it should be taken out of place.

 

BTW: Patrick Reusse wrote a pretty good article about this topic that's definitely worth a read: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/30074089.html

 

I'm certain he is probably the Jay Mariotti of Minneapolis. :lolhitting

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it likely has something to do with logistics. A MLB series has a lot of things that have to go into it, so they probably have to book rooms, flights, etc. a week or two in advance. I imagine a series prior they reserve rooms in every possible city and just eat a deposit for the city that doesn't make it. If you left it to best record it could be determined on the last day. It's probably an old system that with technology they don't need anymore, but that is my guess on why they started it.

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QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Oct 3, 2008 -> 09:29 AM)
it likely has something to do with logistics. A MLB series has a lot of things that have to go into it, so they probably have to book rooms, flights, etc. a week or two in advance. I imagine a series prior they reserve rooms in every possible city and just eat a deposit for the city that doesn't make it. If you left it to best record it could be determined on the last day. It's probably an old system that with technology they don't need anymore, but that is my guess on why they started it.

 

That is a good point, but I wonder how many of those scenarios were that close? The stadiums that were possibilities were all ready "in case" this would just mean a few more stadiums may have to be ready. Look at the Twins, they were ready to fly to Chicago or St. Petersburg.

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QUOTE (Texsox @ Oct 3, 2008 -> 08:37 AM)
That is a good point, but I wonder how many of those scenarios were that close?

True, it would be interesting to know, probably not very many.

 

Like I said, I could understand when everything had to be done via telephone or mail, but with modern technology, they could easily go to best record, IMO

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The problem is not with the head to head comparison, but how the other tie-breakers before it can be affected by the schedule.

 

For example, the Sox only played 80 home games before they played the Twins (even though they were credited with 81). The Baltimore game that started as a home game, ended up as a road game. The Sox got hit with a home loss in that game, in Baltimore.

 

Also, I don't like comparisons in records, because two teams never play the same exact schedule.

 

How about Strength of Schedule? The Sox had a harder SoS than Minnesota with the same record.

 

 

 

 

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