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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 06:51 PM)
He's got limited power and only decent OBP. He has a spot on the team, and I'm not saying he wouldn't be valuable, just that, statistically, he would be a liability. He seems to fit the Eckstein/Miles mold pretty well.

I just thought you were comparing him to Cintron. Cintron's OBP was only 30 points higher than his avg. Getz has avg'd 70 pts more than his batting avg. Getz had some pop this yr. But that's not what is needed from him.

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QUOTE (beck72 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 02:03 PM)
I just thought you were comparing him to Cintron. Cintron's OBP was only 30 points higher than his avg. Getz has avg'd 70 pts more than his batting avg. Getz had some pop this yr. But that's not what is needed from him.

 

If he hit .260 he'd probably be a worse player than Cintron. That's all.

 

I do not feel he has the capability of being a full-time starter at this point. I'd like to see him on the bench and as an emergency/fill-in starter. Depending on anything more than that is scary.

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QUOTE (beck72 @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 12:41 PM)
How so? Getz' M.O. is supposedly making contact, walking as much as striking out, being able to situational hit, having on OBP about 60 points higher than avg, with some ability to steal bases, and decent defense. Getz may not hit .280 right away. But a comparison to Cintron?! Not likely.

 

Agreed. NOT a statistical liability in the 2 or 9 hole, depending on his performance. He COULD be the ideal 2 hitter we haven't had since the early days of Tadahito. Kind of a lefty Theriot. We'll see.

 

Regardless, I think KW knows better than anyone that 2B is traditionally the easiest position to fill. Heck, our last two came neither from trade, nor the farm system, nor from conventional FA, but from Japan and Cuba. I'm thinking his highest priorities are 3B, CF, an upgrade over Javy in the rotation, and one more good bullpen arm. In no particular order, and completely dependent on his gut feelings about the potential contributions of guys like Wise, Fields, Owens, BA, Richard, Broadway, Russell etc. Maybe Contreras or Poreda fills one of the pitching priorities by mid-season, but KW probably won't count on it. I see either Konerko or Dye + Fields, other prospects, in a trade. It will be tough to say goodbye to either, given their huge contributions to the team's success.

 

I'll bet KW'd love to have Uribe back as the backup for the infield, but he probably agrees with most of us, and doesn't want him as a starter. He's going to have to wait to see what the market offers JU.

 

On more thing - people need to stop talking about Buehrle and Jenks like they're greybeards or something. They're still part of our (relatively) youthful core at (barely) 30 and 28 entering next season. Sure, Buehrle's logged a lot of innings in his career, but he's not going to lose the intangibles that make him a winner anytime soon.

 

Among these are:

 

He's smart,

He's a fast worker, which helps to keep the defense on their toes

He doesn't overthink an at bat, but he has a plan for every batter

He leads the universe in double-play grounders

He's an excellent fielder

He's excellent at holding runners, easily our best

His ability to pickoff runners is virtually nonpareil

He's a very positive influence on youngsters like Danks and Richard, and soon Poreda

He keeps himself in shape and is consistently healthy

He doesn't rely on power, so age should be less of a factor

HE'S GOT BALLS!

 

MB's going to win his 250th game when he's 38 or so, hopefully in a Sox uni.

 

Big Bad Bobby is very, very good, looking at the meaningful statistics in his young career. Seeing the way he was bringin' it in game 3 last week, I have very few doubts about him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Oct 11, 2008 -> 09:33 PM)
Agreed. NOT a statistical liability in the 2 or 9 hole, depending on his performance. He COULD be the ideal 2 hitter we haven't had since the early days of Tadahito. Kind of a lefty Theriot. We'll see.

 

Regardless, I think KW knows better than anyone that 2B is traditionally the easiest position to fill. Heck, our last two came neither from trade, nor the farm system, nor from conventional FA, but from Japan and Cuba. I'm thinking his highest priorities are 3B, CF, an upgrade over Javy in the rotation, and one more good bullpen arm. In no particular order, and completely dependent on his gut feelings about the potential contributions of guys like Wise, Fields, Owens, BA, Richard, Broadway, Russell etc. Maybe Contreras or Poreda fills one of the pitching priorities by mid-season, but KW probably won't count on it. I see either Konerko or Dye + Fields, other prospects, in a trade. It will be tough to say goodbye to either, given their huge contributions to the team's success.

 

I'll bet KW'd love to have Uribe back as the backup for the infield, but he probably agrees with most of us, and doesn't want him as a starter. He's going to have to wait to see what the market offers JU.

 

On more thing - people need to stop talking about Buehrle and Jenks like they're greybeards or something. They're still part of our (relatively) youthful core at (barely) 30 and 28 entering next season. Sure, Buehrle's logged a lot of innings in his career, but he's not going to lose the intangibles that make him a winner anytime soon.

 

Among these are:

 

He's smart,

He's a fast worker, which helps to keep the defense on their toes

He doesn't overthink an at bat, but he has a plan for every batter

He leads the universe in double-play grounders

He's an excellent fielder

He's excellent at holding runners, easily our best

His ability to pickoff runners is virtually nonpareil

He's a very positive influence on youngsters like Danks and Richard, and soon Poreda

He keeps himself in shape and is consistently healthy

He doesn't rely on power, so age should be less of a factor

HE'S GOT BALLS!

 

MB's going to win his 250th game when he's 38 or so, hopefully in a Sox uni.

 

Big Bad Bobby is very, very good, looking at the meaningful statistics in his young career. Seeing the way he was bringin' it in game 3 last week, I have very few doubts about him.

 

Welcome aboard. Can't find much to disagree with at all

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-0...0,3109300.story

 

The Marlins, who have 17 players eligible for salary arbitration, have signed only two to multiyear contracts since getting Carlos Delgado as a free agent almost four years ago: Hanley Ramirez and Wes Helms, who agreed to a two-year contract rather than become a free agent. Helms hit .317 with two homers as a pinch-hitter this season. …

 

General managers with shopping lists already are making calls to the Marlins and Royals (14 arbitration-eligible players) about possible trades. San Francisco, desperate for a proven bat, is expected to pursue one-dimensional second baseman Dan Uggla. The Giants also may kick the tires on first baseman Paul Konerko of the White Sox and Derrek Lee of the Cubs, both of whom have full no-trade clauses. They probably would have to deal a young pitcher—Jonathan Sanchez or Matt Cain. They're considered expendable because lefty Madison Bumgarner is climbing fast. …

 

Well, if Sabean wants to restock his team with more veterans...

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QUOTE (DaGame2584 @ Oct 12, 2008 -> 10:57 PM)
Oh please the Giants will NOT trade for Paulie or Derek. I don't think Paulie would even waive his NTC to go there.

You never know if he adds on a couple years to Paulie's deal...

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QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 04:05 AM)
you guys think swisher could ever be a .280/.390/.850 40/100 guy in a sox uniform at 1B?

 

If Swisher hits .280 id imagine his OBP would be above .400. I think he has the skills to have such a season, but I do not think it will happen. Who knows though, avg. ballplayers transform into allstars all the time.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 11:40 AM)
Perez isn't going anywhere. In fact I could see the Rays trading Crawford to make room for Perez for the cost savings.

why would the Rays trade Crawford? If they cant afford to pay him 8.5 million dollars after making the playoffs then there is something wrong there. Everyone knows that i've wanted Crawford since 2006, but i finally came to a realization that he isn't coming here.

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QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 11:46 AM)
why would the Rays trade Crawford? If they cant afford to pay him 8.5 million dollars after making the playoffs then there is something wrong there. Everyone knows that i've wanted Crawford since 2006, but i finally came to a realization that he isn't coming here.

 

Their payroll is about to explode. Even with the jump in attendence, I am not convinced that they will be willing to swallow all of it.

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QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 12:40 PM)
other than Crawford, who is all due for big time raises?

 

Look at the stages of the careers some of those guys are at, some are moving quickly into arb years, such as Scott Kazmir for one. Winning always seems to mean people start looking for big contracts.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 12:07 PM)
Look at the stages of the careers some of those guys are at, some are moving quickly into arb years, such as Scott Kazmir for one. Winning always seems to mean people start looking for big contracts.

???

 

09:$6M, 10:$8M, 11:$12M, 12:$13.5M club option ($2.5M buyout)

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QUOTE (beautox @ Oct 13, 2008 -> 04:19 PM)
and i for one would think they would be willing to deal perez because they've got Jennings and Royster, Ruggiano and Pedroza down on the farm.

 

We don't have enough to pull that off anyway. Plus Kenny usually gets guys down in the minors that teams have given up on like carlos quentin. I'm still sticking to this easy prediction that we will get a guy that noone on this board has even mentioned.

 

 

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Just so I can have a reference to look back on as far as my off-season wishlist:

 

- Fire Greg Walker

- Trade Javy

- Trade Paulie

- Trade for Brian Roberts

- Sign Casey Blake

- Sign some under the radar Bullpen guy who could be good....

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Alright, this obviously won't happen, but what about a Poreda, Fields, and Javy for Peavy and Kouzmanoff. Logic is the Pads get two young cheap talented major league (or at least close) players, and replace Peavy for at least a year with a guy that will replace his innings and K's, if nothing else, while still shedding payroll. Sox still have a problem with the 5th starter, but no question upgrade the team, and still do so long term. Probably would have to add another body in that mix to make them even think about it.

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The thought is nice, but the Twins got 4 players for Santana, and he was in a walk year. Peavy is in the same boat, though his year end ERA was helped something crazy by pitching in Petco (1.74 ERA at home, 4.28 on the road), but he's also in the middle of a very easily manageable deal. He's worth 3 good prospects, and he's someone the Sox probably have no hope of getting.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 14, 2008 -> 08:14 PM)
The thought is nice, but the Twins got 4 players for Santana, and he was in a walk year. Peavy is in the same boat, though his year end ERA was helped something crazy by pitching in Petco (1.74 ERA at home, 4.28 on the road), but he's also in the middle of a very easily manageable deal. He's worth 3 good prospects, and he's someone the Sox probably have no hope of getting.

 

Peavy just signed a 4 year deal last year, didn't he?

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