RockRaines Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Yes, all the Blue jays want next season is to unload one of the best pitchers in baseball for our junk and no name prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) I would be totally fine with keeping Swisher in CF for most the year (could sub in w/ Wise some i suppose) But for that to happen they have to really beef up that infield with guys that have bat control and plate discipline. So if Josh Fields is the 3b (which i doubt) then i wouldnt want Swisher. I want the three open positions to be filled 2/3 with bat control guys, and ideally put those guys 1-2 in the order somehow. Edited October 7, 2008 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 08:16 AM) I'm definitely in the keep Swisher fan club. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 That Halladay/Rios deal might be the worst trade in the history of not only the Blue Jays, but the entire American League East. While they're at it, they might as well give us Snider and Vernon Wells for Getz, Richard, Jose Martinez and Juan Silverio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:15 AM) That Halladay/Rios deal might be the worst trade in the history of not only the Blue Jays, but the entire American League East. While they're at it, they might as well give us Snider and Vernon Wells for Getz, Richard, Jose Martinez and Juan Silverio. What about Vasquez,Thome and Contreras for Lincecum and Rowand? We would get a pitcher who has the potential to be a CY young contender for the next 10 years. Rowand would look better on the basepaths than someone like JD. I'm not sure what the Giants needs are. But, Thome is the Slugger they are lacking since Bonds , Vasquez would be a better fit for the NL and Contreras is the real wild card here. our team can look like this Hudson 2b Ramirez SS CQ LF Dye DH Swisher RF Konerko 1b AJ C Rowand CF Fields 3b Lincecum Buehrle Danks Floyd Who Cares Edited October 7, 2008 by rangercal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 09:21 AM) What about Vasquez,Thome and Contreras for Lincecum and Rowand? We would get a pitcher who has the potential to be a CY young contender for the next 10 years. Rowand would look better on the basepaths than someone like JD. I'm not sure what the Giants needs are. But, Thome is the Slugger they are lacking since Bonds , Vasquez would be a better fit for the NL and Contreras is the real wild card here. our team can look like this Hudson 2b Ramirez SS CQ LF Dye DH Swisher RF Konerko 1b AJ C Rowand CF Fields 3b Lincecum Buehrle Danks Floyd Who Cares I applaud your enthusiam, young man. Thome's too old to play 1B everyday, an injury waiting to happen, and the Giants are in the process of getting much younger, not older. Lincecum and Cain are pretty much untouchables. Contreras won't pitch again before next August, and maybe never again. Retirement is a possibility. You can't trade a player that's injured. They've already sunk too much money into Zito, they would have no interest adding Javy. Vazquez is the type of pitcher a contending team with a $100 million plus payroll can afford to add to the roster as the 4th/5th starter, as long as he doesn't have to start a game in the post-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 11:33 AM) I applaud your enthusiam, young man. Thome's too old to play 1B everyday, an injury waiting to happen, and the Giants are in the process of getting much younger, not older. Lincecum and Cain are pretty much untouchables. Contreras won't pitch again before next August, and maybe never again. Retirement is a possibility. You can't trade a player that's injured. They've already sunk too much money into Zito, they would have no interest adding Javy. Vazquez is the type of pitcher a contending team with a $100 million plus payroll can afford to add to the roster as the 4th/5th starter, as long as he doesn't have to start a game in the post-season. maybe I should have used green Fonts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Sorry, I can never tell which ones are legitimate trade proposals around here. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 You may be down on them but konerko and vasquez have value. Fields and Broadway have some value too even though they didn't on the south side. I agree that halladay and rios was a reach but we can get some real good players for that package and KW just might surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 You have to keep Swisher. He's signed long term for pretty cheap for one, and give him a consistent position, like say 1B after we trade Paulie, and a consistent spot in the line-up and he'll be fine. We need OBP guys, and Swish Thome and CQ are the only guys who appear to be able to take a walk right now, so the more the better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (heirdog @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 09:48 AM) You may be down on them but konerko and vasquez have value. Fields and Broadway have some value too even though they didn't on the south side. I agree that halladay and rios was a reach but we can get some real good players for that package and KW just might surprise. Yes they have value, just not much of it. Anf Fields value is at its all time low, and Broadway doesnt have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Keep Swisher. He will bounce back next year. There's no sense trading him when his value is rock bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 There should be a feature on the board that won't allow the person to post the message if it contains the phrase "trade [player who has no-trade protection]." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 A switch hitter that plays multiple positions-in this era of versatility-Swish is on my team. At some point it may enable you to carry an extra pitcher when needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Some people on this board should start investing. Buy Swisher at a high price of 3 top prospects (for us at least) and then sell him at the lowest possible value he could ever have. We'd make millions!!!!! Dye has to go. Of Konerko/Thome/Swish/Dye, Dye has the highest value and the only person that could even be traded. That free's up a corner spot for swish, PK at 1B, Thome at DH. Remove BA from the doghouse or sign/trade for a CF, sign/trade for a 3B, sign/trade/prospect for 2B. Bingo bango. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 He's signed long term for pretty cheap for one, and give him a consistent position, like say 1B after we trade Paulie, and a consistent spot in the line-up and he'll be fine Does that mean he may get his average up to say, .250? The only reason to keep him is we can't get anything for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 How about Anderson, Richard, Fields and Swisher for Roberts and Mora. (+14) Move Alexei to SS. Thome for Figgins CF (-9) Add 5 mil to the payroll CF Figgins 2B Roberts LF Quentin DH Dye 1B Konerko CA Pierzynski 3B Mora SS Ramirez RF Wise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Don't we talk about Figgins and Roberts on here every year? Is Figgins worth this much discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:33 AM) Lincecum and Cain are pretty much untouchables. I have the honest impression that Sabean, and his staff vastly underestimates Tim Lincecum. It's ludicrous, I know, but almost every statement they've made has given a clear indication that they value Cain much more than they do Tiny Tim. Now, I’m not saying this is ever going to happen, but I believe if KW made the right offer, and it would have to be a substantial one, a deal could be made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 To be honest, I didn't read this thread. I probably never will. And I mean no offense to joe in saying this, but I want to put this out there. This is easily the worst part of the season (and not just because the Sox just lost). It's terrible because there are 14 new threads a day about everyone's opinion on what should be done to the team. It's every bit as bad as Trade Winds, excluding the actual trade rumors. I am never interested in reading the vast majority of threads created at this time of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Swisher is staying. Not sure how this is even a discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:33 PM) To be honest, I didn't read this thread. I probably never will. And I mean no offense to joe in saying this, but I want to put this out there. This is easily the worst part of the season (and not just because the Sox just lost). It's terrible because there are 14 new threads a day about everyone's opinion on what should be done to the team. It's every bit as bad as Trade Winds, excluding the actual trade rumors. I am never interested in reading the vast majority of threads created at this time of the year. Keep your chin up Milkman! I don't think this is your usual, goddammit-we-lost-now-HERE'S-what-I-would do thread. Some of us have been saying for months that we should do this, that. And I still feel the same way, although I was totally, pleasantly surprised by how far we got. Last week was unforgettable. But now that it's all said and done--and I'm not upset--let's get to fixin things. Can you imagine how good we could be in '09 if we got this far with THIS TEAM? I see nothing but optimism to hold, as long as we don't try to trot out another station-to-station slow team next year. Keep a couple, but let's remodel. The other good news: Danks, Floyd--KEEPERS. I'd say we're in good shape. And Swish will come around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 If Carlos Quentin is back healed and healthy nexy yer where does Swisher go but CF? Quentin-Swisher and Dye as the starting OF and Anderson and Wise as the relief in the OF. Right now that's the way I see it stacking up. Obviously anything can happen though. I see is trying to plug holes at 3B and 2B and Ramirez moves to SS. Konerko is the 1Bman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 05:53 PM) Keep your chin up Milkman! I don't think this is your usual, goddammit-we-lost-now-HERE'S-what-I-would do thread. Some of us have been saying for months that we should do this, that. And I still feel the same way, although I was totally, pleasantly surprised by how far we got. Last week was unforgettable. But now that it's all said and done--and I'm not upset--let's get to fixin things. Can you imagine how good we could be in '09 if we got this far with THIS TEAM? I see nothing but optimism to hold, as long as we don't try to trot out another station-to-station slow team next year. Keep a couple, but let's remodel. The other good news: Danks, Floyd--KEEPERS. I'd say we're in good shape. And Swish will come around. No, I'm not saying that at all. It's just that I hate when all there is to read is "Here's my opinion on how we should handle ____ situation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Swisher is staying. Not sure how this is even a discussion. Really? Not a single team would offer something for a OF or 1B despite his down year? Does Swisher have the right to demand a trade because he was traded in a multiyear deal, or is it something with his arbitration years? I think it's worth talking about since the Sox have a logjam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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