Shamrock4Life Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Any chance we bring the Gooch back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:58 PM) Anyone else think we need to make a deal for a decent CF? What we have will not do. absolutely...the only question is whether the organization will wait another year or not....we might be able to make it another year with swisher/anderson in center while PK plays first and thome DHs...but after that (assuming PK isn't dealt) i would imagine thome would go when his contract is up, PK goes to DH and swisher to 1b...so we need a CF either for 09 or for 10...assuming no major player from our team gets dealt now i think the sox might try to wait it out, but if they are able to get a solid CF this offseason i could see them moving now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 02:58 PM) Anyone else think we need to make a deal for a decent CF? What we have will not do. Or you could just sign Furcal and Hudson (or trade for Roberts) and move Alexei to CF. He's supposedly great at both SS and CF and actually played more innings in center this year than he did short. Of course that would require a rather large and unrealistic payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Shamrock4Life @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:01 PM) Any chance we bring the Gooch back? He has no business starting at a major league position in 2009, he really should go back to Japan and try to salvage his career there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) It's nice to have a high OPS if you arent a station to station runner. So . . . 1.) Slow as hit 2.) Can't turn on the inside fastball 3.) Can't play the field 4.) Guaranteed $13M next season 5.) Holds full no trade protection and has shown no desire to go anywhere outside of Chicago and Cleveland 6.) Plays for a team that does not eat portions of contracts Yeah, should be easy to find a trade partner for that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) Yeah, should be easy to find a trade partner for that guy. Dont we have to pick up his option? Or isnt their some buyout clause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:10 PM) Dont we have to pick up his option? Or isnt their some buyout clause? His option vested a couple weeks ago, he's now guaranteed $13M next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) His option vested a couple weeks ago, he's now guaranteed $13M next season. ahhhhhh ok. I didn't Know that. hmmm.... ok, I retract everything I've said in this thread. I need to rethink. I was basing my assumptions on more available money. Edited October 7, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 FWIW Cowley said this morning he believes the phillies will pay roughly 5 mil of Thome's contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 03:14 PM) FWIW Cowley said this morning he believes the phillies will pay roughly 5 mil of Thome's contract God damn I hope that's true. It was speculated at the time of the deal that Gillick made a hand shake deal with Kenny where he would kick in some cash if the option vested. George Offman actually alluded to this a few weeks ago as well which gives me hope. Jim thome at $8M is more than reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) God damn I hope that's true. It was speculated at the time of the deal that Gillick made a hand shake deal with Kenny where he would kick in some cash if the option vested. George Offman actually alluded to this a few weeks ago as well which gives me hope. Jim thome at $8M is more than reasonable. i definitely remember hearing about that handshake agreement, and i actually thought i remember hearing somewhere that they would pay half of his deal....either way, whether we are on the hook for 6.5 or 8, its a nice deal for a guy who still should be good for a .370 ish obp and 30 HR (barring injury) Edited October 7, 2008 by daa84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 They gave $22 mill, and the only kicker was if it was over 3 years or 4...if you are smart, you can make it out to however many years you want it to. The White Sox front office is smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I guess the question is whether that $5-6.5 million is "new/found" money or part of the $22 million applying to the final three years? Is this "handshake" agreement over the option year, if the Sox so chose to pick it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 08:41 PM) I said it in a few other posts, but if the Sox find improvements at 3rd and 2B/SS(which ever spot Lexi isn't), and Dye is moved, you probably could get away with Anderson as your CF. You can get away with one below average hitter in your lineup is he is providing you with excellent defense at a pivotal position. Now, if for some reason the Sox are planing on having Uribe or Getz as every day players(I know this isn't what Williams is thinking) than Anderson can't be in CF. I've become very intrigued with the thought of Alexei in CF to be quite honest. He seems quick enough to cover a ton of ground, has the bat to play it, a strong arm...he'd be a pretty solid choice. The question then is, can you find 3 players for 2B, 3B, and SS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 09:54 PM) I've become very intrigued with the thought of Alexei in CF to be quite honest. He seems quick enough to cover a ton of ground, has the bat to play it, a strong arm...he'd be a pretty solid choice. The question then is, can you find 3 players for 2B, 3B, and SS? C: Pierzynski 1B: Konerko/Swisher 2B: Roberts/Hudson 3B: Beltre SS: Furcal LF: Quentin CF: Ramirez RF: Swisher/Dye DH: Thome/Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:54 PM) I've become very intrigued with the thought of Alexei in CF to be quite honest. He seems quick enough to cover a ton of ground, has the bat to play it, a strong arm...he'd be a pretty solid choice. The question then is, can you find 3 players for 2B, 3B, and SS? Ellis, Fields, Furcal would work perfectly in my mind. I mean people are nostalgic all the time for the speed + Bat handling Combo that Scottie Pods and Tad Iguchi used to proved at the top of the order. Furcal and Ellis would provide just this. The problem being that both these players are injury prone necessitating the constant presence of Getz, and A Uribe/Bourgeois(Sp?) player on the roster. Assuming Fields surgery goes smooth, and he returns to a somewhat respectable form. We'd have: Furcal (SS) Ellis (2B) 1 or 2 year deal geared towards slotting Beckham in after it expires Q (LF) Thome (DH) Konerko (1B) Dye (Rf) Alexei (CF) AJ © Fields (3B) It could work, but I’d still prefer a consistent lineup with Swisher in the of, and the Missile in the IF over this Edited October 8, 2008 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Quentin would play RF silly. There's like a zillion different scenarios that could play out too if you did that, which is one of the reasons it's so intriguing. Right now, with potentially decent offers, I'm looking at something like Hudson - 2B (probably the worst of them all, but he gets on and is quick enough to handle it) Ramirez - CF Quentin - RF Thome - DH Konerko - 1B Hardy/Beltre - SS/3B Pierzynski - C Beltre/Hardy - 3B/SS Swisher - LF The only real kicker in mine is if Tampa Bay is ready to get Price into the rotation, because their situation in RF was only so-so this year (.771 OPS from their RFers) and willing to spend a little money. I have Dye going there for one of Garza/Sonnanstine/Jackson, in that preferred order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Tampa Bay doesn't need Dye playing in that dome, unless they want to make him the full-time DH. I really don't think Friedman would consider trading a "cost-assured" young pitcher for a one year rental on Dye...it would be nice, but I doubt it. If they do make that trade, I doubt it would be Garza or Jackson...it would be Sonnanstine, and I'm not sure how well his flyball-offspeed style of pitching would translate in a full season of US Cell. The Rays can always use Baldelli there, and Gomes perhaps will get his act together, like Cantu did after leaving Tampa. If the Red Sox just overpower TB, then the Rays might need to consider it...they also have Reid Brignac potentially ready for SS, that's the kind of player I wouldn't mind having on the White Sox (Bartlett), as long as we were getting some pop from 3B and CF in the trade-off. I also think the Rays would have the most interest in Jenks of any of our players...because Wheeler, Percival and Balfour are so-so. At least, I thought that about Balfour until this series...throwing 93-95 fastballs over and over again, and they don't seem to have much movement. I don't think Boston's better offensive players will miss those like our aging guys did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I think the Rays will be looking to address the DH or RF positions in the off-season. Dye definitely would be better suited as the DH for them, I dont think they give up Garza for him though and Im not really interested in Sonnanstine or Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 (edited) I don't see kenny making deals with an AL contender. I can't recall him doing that recently. I don't consider Oakland a contender. They are in another rebuild process. Edited October 8, 2008 by MAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 At this point, it's just a thought as I haven't had time to even think of who needs a RFer, but they would trade one of their cost-effective pitchers because they have another one waiting in the wings who could be better than all 3 of those I mentioned. Also, so long as Balfour's magic doesn't completely wear off, he could easily close for them next year. He appears to have the mentality and he was absolutely dominant this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:43 PM) I don't see kenny making deals with an AL contender. I can't recall him doing that recently. The Angels are contenders? He traded with them last offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 09:56 PM) The Angels are contenders? He traded with them last offseason. I was wrong then, what new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I guess its the fact that they just beat us out of the playoffs that makes me think a deal is unlikely, but I'll probably be wrong about that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 7, 2008 -> 10:07 PM) I guess its the fact that they just beat us out of the playoffs that makes me think a deal is unlikely, but I'll probably be wrong about that too. At this point, everything is conjecture, so nothing should be taken too seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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