Brian Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Feels like Michigan is the bigget bubble team ever. Lose to Iowa, beat Purdue. Probably wil depend on the B10 tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 06:16 PM) Feels like Michigan is the bigget bubble team ever. Lose to Iowa, beat Purdue. Probably wil depend on the B10 tourney. Michigan's in...those two OOC wins are two of the best for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) Michigan's in...those two OOC wins are two of the best for anyone. I agree. But all the "experts" say they are one of the last ones out. Watch SIU shock the world and win the MV...ah forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) I am going to be fascinated to see how the Big 10 does in the NCAA Tournament. It's hard to argue with the numbers that say the Big 10 is a very good league this year, but it's hard to rip on anybody who says Big 10 basketball is ugly and difficult to watch because it really is. Thank God NCAA basketball has a tournament that helps settle things and we get to find out just how good the Big 10 is in March. It really depends on the refs they get for each game. The Big Ten plays a very physical style of ball defensively and if the refs let some contact go, they can give teams trouble. If they call touch fouls for any reason, the team will be in foul trouble and will be done most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Latest Bracketology is finally out.... and sure enough, Kansas shows up as a #2 seed (the top No. 2 seed) http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 04:44 PM) Latest Bracketology is finally out.... and sure enough, Kansas shows up as a #2 seed (the top No. 2 seed) http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology I would be so happy to have OSU where they have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Gonna watch Harrison Barnes play tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 11:47 AM) It really depends on the refs they get for each game. The Big Ten plays a very physical style of ball defensively and if the refs let some contact go, they can give teams trouble. If they call touch fouls for any reason, the team will be in foul trouble and will be done most likely. That's what will happen and why the Big 10 will struggle in my opinion, because that is what usually happens. One of the Big 10's biggest problems is it has a TERRIBLE set of refs who won't call fouls. Until the Big 10 comes up with refs who call the game like most 21st century refs do (aka the refs in every other conference), then out of conference play and tournament play will be a culture shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 05:16 AM) We've been shuttin' down other team's best backourt players all year. If Chester Frazier doesn't win Big-10 DPOY the award needs to be abolished. And that's not me being a homer. I actually thought JaJuan Johnson was the front-runner a few weeks ago. But Chet is just lockin' up everybody right now. Damian Johnson says hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 QUOTE (Felix @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 12:43 AM) Damian Johnson says hi. Tell him I said hi back. And he's definitely one of the better defenders in the conference. But it should come down to Chester/Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 12:49 AM) Tell him I said hi back. And he's definitely one of the better defenders in the conference. But it should come down to Chester/Johnson. DJ is #3 in the Big Ten in steal percentage and #2 in the Big Ten in block percentage, above both Chester Taylor and JuJuan Johnson in both categories. That plus his pure dominance on the floor defensively is enough to convince me that he's the most deserving candidate in the conference. Edited February 28, 2009 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Felix @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 12:52 AM) DJ is #3 in the Big Ten in steal percentage and #2 in the Big Ten in block percentage, above both Chester Taylor and JuJuan Johnson in both categories. That plus his pure dominance on the floor defensively is enough to convince me that he's the most deserving candidate in the conference. Pure dominance? Let's not get crazy now. You can use the word "dominance" when talking about somebody like Thabeet. Not Johnson. As good as he is. And the steals/blocks are nice. But there's obviously a lot more that goes into it, otherwise Bruce Bowen is not much of a defender. Chet can effectively guard multiple positions and has consistently locked up some of the best perimeter scorers the conference has to offer. Here's a little piece from a recent Rivals article. Frazier averages only 5.4 points per game, but he also keeps Big Ten opponents from scoring much. Frazier has shut down some of the Big Ten's top players. He held Ohio State's Evan Turner to a season-low four points on 2-for-7 shooting. He hounded Purdue's E'Twaun Moore into a 2-for-9, six-point performance. With Frazier defending them most of the way, Michigan State's Kalin Lucas shot 3-for-10 and Penn State's Talor Battle was 3-for-11 against Illinois. Frazier is versatile enough to have defended guys who play every position but center. http://collegebasketball.rivals.com/...asp?CID=915064 Here's another piece from a dailyherald article a few weeks back. So I'm loitering around a few NBA scouts the other day. These are guys who go all over the Midwest checking out players and filing reports. It's frightening how well they can break down everyone's game with one or two views. I'm not saying they're looking at Illinois senior guard Chester Frazier as an NBA prospect. Not many 6-foot-2 guys averaging 5.3 points per game make it in The League. But here's what one scout said, more or less (I didn't write it down), and the others agreed: "The test for whether you can make the NBA is if you can score on Chester Frazier." Frazier, if you haven't been paying attention (and the NBA scouts have), has been shutting down guys of all shapes and sizes. You'll know who Illinois regards as the bigger Northwestern threat tonight by whether Frazier guards Craig Moore or Kevin Coble. Anyway, here's what recent Frazier defendees have done in reverse chronological order: --Purdue's E'Twaun Moore: 6 points on 2-for-9 shooting. --Wisconsin's Trevon Hughes: 0 points on 0-for-7 shooting. --I can't remember who he guarded against Iowa. Might've been Peterson, who was really quick and got 12 points (on 5 of 13 shooting) with 6 assists. --Hughes: 13 points on 5 of 13 shooting. 1 assist. --OSU's Evan Turner: 4 points on 2-of-7 shooting. Since that game, Turner has been on a rampage and made himself a favorite for Big Ten Player of the Year. --MSU's Kalin Lucas: 10 points on 3 of 13 shooting. And so on and so forth. Let's just say that Purdue's Chris Kramer is a terrific, meticulous, ferocious, PHYSICAL defender. He deserved his Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year award last season. Chester Frazier deserves it this year. http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1414 Not saying any of this makes Chet a lock to win the award. Just that he has as good a case, if not stronger, than any other player in the conference. Edited February 28, 2009 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 04:44 PM) Latest Bracketology is finally out.... and sure enough, Kansas shows up as a #2 seed (the top No. 2 seed) http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology How do you figure they are his top 2 seed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 0-18!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 That's what will happen and why the Big 10 will struggle in my opinion, because that is what usually happens. One of the Big 10's biggest problems is it has a TERRIBLE set of refs who won't call fouls. Until the Big 10 comes up with refs who call the game like most 21st century refs do (aka the refs in every other conference), then out of conference play and tournament play will be a culture shock. Or when they get in a game which is called tighter they score way more points, aka OSU during 2006-7, when they scored 85 and 92 points against Tenn and Memphis respectively. In a Big 10 game that year OSU only scored 49 points in a winning effort against Wisconsin. Its a lot easier to score when you arent playing some of the better defensive teams in the league. It just depends on the individual match ups, if Wisconsin gets a team who likes a high pace but plays out of control, their system gives them a great chance for an upset. Shooters can go hot and cold, but defense is just hustle and discipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) 0-18!!! lol. I figured that this would be the one game you would get. I almost feel bad for Wainwright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 When playing FSU: Blair - 10 pts Vasquez - 6 pts Hansbrough - 8 pts Booker - 11 pts McClinton - 13 pts Rice - 11 pts Booker - 8 pts Oglesevy-12 pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 28, 2009 Author Share Posted February 28, 2009 The greatest team in Illinois history lost to Creighton. Unthinkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Henderson had a great 1st half and a bad 2nd half, and Singler had the opposite, in a Duke win at VT. Those "D-BAG PAULUS!!" chants were hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 03:27 PM) Or when they get in a game which is called tighter they score way more points, aka OSU during 2006-7, when they scored 85 and 92 points against Tenn and Memphis respectively. In a Big 10 game that year OSU only scored 49 points in a winning effort against Wisconsin. Its a lot easier to score when you arent playing some of the better defensive teams in the league. It just depends on the individual match ups, if Wisconsin gets a team who likes a high pace but plays out of control, their system gives them a great chance for an upset. Shooters can go hot and cold, but defense is just hustle and discipline. There isn't a team in the Big 10 this year that is anywhere near as talented as Ohio State was 2 years ago, so I can't go with that comparison. Plus, I'm going to assume based on the way you referenced it that OSU shot a lot of free throws in the Memphis and Tennessee games, but I'm sure the pace of the game was also far faster than Ohio State played in Big 10 games, which is the main reason those games were so high scoring. The Big 10 is as good top to bottom as it's been in a while, but it simply isn't a very good league at the top in my opinion and I think the way league games are played (and called by refs) is going to hurt the league and it's teams in the NCAA Tournament. We'll know 3 or 4 weeks from now if I am right or not though, which is the beauty of the tournament. Edited February 28, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 How Big 10 teams do will more depend on the match ups than on how the refs call the game. So the tournament isnt really going to prove anything, unless a bunch of Big 10 teams get in foul trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 05:56 PM) How Big 10 teams do will more depend on the match ups than on how the refs call the game. So the tournament isnt really going to prove anything, unless a bunch of Big 10 teams get in foul trouble. So if the Big 10 does poorly or well in the NCAA Tournament, it won't prove anything? I couldn't disagree more, the power or lack thereof of conferences in college basketball depends on what happens in the NCAA Tournament in my opinion, similar to what happens in bowl games in football. Yes it's all about the matchups in individual games, but overall as a league, you better peform in the postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimpy2121 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Easy to be Duke when the refs are on your side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vtLevo44o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 1, 2009 Author Share Posted March 1, 2009 QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Feb 28, 2009 -> 08:13 PM) Easy to be Duke when the refs are on your side. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vtLevo44o I saw that highlights. Hilarious stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I was talking about the conference refs. Thats why I say: how the refs call the game. Big 10 teams get in foul trouble. Not sure what the power of the conference has to do with reffing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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