Dick Allen Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I think the Sox have to replace Toby Hall, even if he wanted to play for the minimum. He seems like a fun guy, but 10 RBI in 2 seasons and not exactly Johnny Bench defensively. Its time to get someone else to back up AJ. Either get a guy who can hit lefties or a defensive specialist, I don't care. Not some guy whose biggest contributions are shaving cream pies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (MO2005 @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 03:16 PM) Magglio is not going anywhere and even if he does it will definitely not be here! I don't care if he hits .300, his attitude sucks and there is still friction in this organization on this matter. Let's talk about something that is somewhat realistic here please!! well you are wrong about one thing, Detroit is looking to deal him for sure, and are even thinking about eating some of his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 03:42 PM) I think the Sox have to replace Toby Hall, even if he wanted to play for the minimum. He seems like a fun guy, but 10 RBI in 2 seasons and not exactly Johnny Bench defensively. Its time to get someone else to back up AJ. Either get a guy who can hit lefties or a defensive specialist, I don't care. Not some guy whose biggest contributions are shaving cream pies. Toby hit .377 with a .920 OPS against lefties last year...it was limited ABs, but he's hit lefties decently over the past 4-5 years too. I don't care if Toby's back or not, I just don't think that is an argument you can use against him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (MO2005 @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 03:16 PM) Magglio is not going anywhere and even if he does it will definitely not be here! I don't care if he hits .300, his attitude sucks and there is still friction in this organization on this matter. Let's talk about something that is somewhat realistic here please!! Did any of the players take any shots at him when he left? Hell most of them are gone anyways. It would be nice to have a dependable .300 hitter in the line up. I agree, ain't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 03:59 PM) Toby hit .377 with a .920 OPS against lefties last year...it was limited ABs, but he's hit lefties decently over the past 4-5 years too. I don't care if Toby's back or not, I just don't think that is an argument you can use against him. 7 RBI in 2008. 3 RBI in 2007. Toby Hall blows. I'm not using it against him anyway. Get someone else. His .902 OPS against lefties meant squat, and defensively I feel he leaves a lot to be desired. There are better catchers sitting at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 07:22 PM) 7 RBI in 2008. 3 RBI in 2007. Toby Hall blows. I'm not using it against him anyway. Get someone else. His .902 OPS against lefties meant squat, and defensively I feel he leaves a lot to be desired. There are better catchers sitting at home. He more than doubled the runs he produced. Give him a few more years and he'll put up record numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 03:16 PM) Williams wanted Gaston not Guillen Reinsdorf backed Guillen. Kenny Williams got rid of the single greatest White Sox player since at least the Black Sox era, and a guy that Jerry loved. If that doesn't tell you what power Kenny has, I don't know what will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 cant wait for fun offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 08:28 PM) Kenny Williams got rid of the single greatest White Sox player since at least the Black Sox era, and a guy that Jerry loved. If that doesn't tell you what power Kenny has, I don't know what will. But look at the season he was coming off of. If he hit like he did the next season, KW would not have been able to get rid of him like he tried to do after 2002. JR also let Hawk fire LaRussa, then said it was a huge mistake. KW knows the players like Magglio. If in the unlikely occurrance that Detroit would pay a lot of salary and give Maggs back to the Sox in a deal that made sense and the Sox had a spot to put him, if you think KW would say no Maggs left here on bad terms, I think you're wrong. KW is well aware that despite being a very clever hitter and baseball player, Maggs isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and what was said before and after he left was his agent talking through him. Edited October 30, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 06:22 PM) 7 RBI in 2008. 3 RBI in 2007. Toby Hall blows. I'm not using it against him anyway. Get someone else. His .902 OPS against lefties meant squat, and defensively I feel he leaves a lot to be desired. There are better catchers sitting at home. He had 26 PAs with runners in scoring position this past season, had 6 hits, walked 4 times, and drove in 6 runs in those instances. That doesn't do s*** for me either. It's kind of hard to drive in runs when you are not given the opportunity to do so, isn't it? I have no opinion either way, but I still have yet to see anyone else who could be brought in that would be a clear upgrade over Hall. Hall's biggest downfall is his inability to hit RHP, and next year, if Ozzie manages the team as well as he can, Hall should have fewer than 40 PAs against RHP (if Hall is brougth back). Preferably not at $2+ mill, but I have no problem bringing him in for around $1 mill at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 29, 2008 -> 10:04 PM) He had 26 PAs with runners in scoring position this past season, had 6 hits, walked 4 times, and drove in 6 runs in those instances. That doesn't do s*** for me either. It's kind of hard to drive in runs when you are not given the opportunity to do so, isn't it? I have no opinion either way, but I still have yet to see anyone else who could be brought in that would be a clear upgrade over Hall. Hall's biggest downfall is his inability to hit RHP, and next year, if Ozzie manages the team as well as he can, Hall should have fewer than 40 PAs against RHP (if Hall is brougth back). Preferably not at $2+ mill, but I have no problem bringing him in for around $1 mill at all. Unfortunately, Ozzie is going to have to play the back-up catcher against right handed pitchers occassionally and sometimes when lefties start, righties come into relieve. AJP is going to need a break. Probably more than he's been getting since joining the White Sox. IMO, AJP has been the one guy who if he gets hurt and is out for a significant time, would be the biggest blow to the White Sox. His back-ups have been beyond awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2008 -> 07:00 AM) Unfortunately, Ozzie is going to have to play the back-up catcher against right handed pitchers occassionally and sometimes when lefties start, righties come into relieve. AJP is going to need a break. Probably more than he's been getting since joining the White Sox. IMO, AJP has been the one guy who if he gets hurt and is out for a significant time, would be the biggest blow to the White Sox. His back-ups have been beyond awful. I will absolutely agree with all of this, and to end the conversation, Toby's option was declined. It doesn't rule out a resigning, but he can leave for all I really care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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