elrockinMT Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I am in shock over the last seven games. I want to wade in on the arguments and try and stay positive, but I am too depressed right now. Manuel said, "if we don't start winning soon it's time to be worried. We are still in this thing," or something similar. My question is have we ever really been winning consistently? As much as I hate the Twins you have to feel sorry for that team too. They are now 51/2 out and we are 6 1/2 out. The KC Royals for crying out loud are leading the division. They are motivated. What's wrong with our team? I just hope that come Sunday evening we will have started showing we have a heart. If not, I think some heads will roll or should roll. Of course the question is will anyone step up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I wouldn't feel sorry for anyone. These are grown men who are playing with no passion. There's simply no way that Kansas City is the best team in our division. The Sox and the Twins both have a great shot to take the division and I believe whichever one of these teams plays the best in the second half will indeed win the division. However, until the Sox decide to step up and play with intensity on every pitch, they will just be a mediocre team in a mediocre division. Hopefully Buehrle can get us back on track this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I wouldn't feel sorry for anyone. These are grown men who are playing with no passion. There's simply no way that Kansas City is the best team in our division. The Sox and the Twins both have a great shot to take the division and I believe whichever one of these teams plays the best in the second half will indeed win the division. However, until the Sox decide to step up and play with intensity on every pitch, they will just be a mediocre team in a mediocre division. Hopefully Buehrle can get us back on track this afternoon. LOL what is MB gonna do? We continue to get gem after gem by the big 3, and it just doesnt matter. We have the 2nd most talented offense in the AL and cant score runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 We have the 2nd most talented offense in the AL and cant score runs. Since when? On paper? Our line-up is nothing but medicore DH's. Nothing more. No speed. Can't bunt. Can't slap the baseball to the opposite field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Since when? On paper? Our line-up is nothing but medicore DH's. Nothing more. No speed. Can't bunt. Can't slap the baseball to the opposite field. Unless the Sox can hit HR's, they can't win. They have nobody who can hit singles and just move runners along. Everyone swings for the fences and that simply doesn't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I wouldn't feel sorry for anyone. These are grown men who are playing with no passion. There's simply no way that Kansas City is the best team in our division. The Sox and the Twins both have a great shot to take the division and I believe whichever one of these teams plays the best in the second half will indeed win the division. However, until the Sox decide to step up and play with intensity on every pitch, they will just be a mediocre team in a mediocre division. Hopefully Buehrle can get us back on track this afternoon. Kansas City isn't the best team but they have a good manager and play like they want something. It makes a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Well el - A thought. Thing cannot get much worse for the Sox at this point, I think I have found some solace in the fact that they can now only get better. Either that Sox are going to find thier way out of this tailspin to come back and win the division; or serious changes to the organization are going to take place. I think the latter is going to be the case. Where will they start? First, Manuel is finished. I know that there have been rumors that he will stay on until the end of the season. KW has said that his job is secure as long as he wins the division. But I think that JR may have to pull the trigger sooner than that simply because Manuel is making him look like a fool. At the end of last season, JR held a meeting in the clubhouse talking of how there was going to a new emphasis on working and playing hard beginning with a boot camp atmosphere in spring training. As the field general, it doesn't seem like Manuel and Reinsdorf are on the same page. Besides, and I've raised this before, is anyone convince that Manuel is the type of manager that can win a playoff series? If you answer no, then he was never right for this job in 2001, 2002, or 2003. Second, KW has made a shambles of this organization. I admire him for having the sand to try and pull the trigger on big deals to make the team better. But the lesson we have painfully learned is that you cannot slug your way to a title. You need pitching, you need defense, and you need speed. Pepper in some sluggers into that mix and you have a championship team. The Alomar deal I liked, the Everett deal was a question mark, because we have too many of that type of player. He just happened to be a switch-hitter. We needed a centerfielder that had speed could get on base and field the position. Everett is not a centerfielder. There is hope in our system: Cotts, Reed, Honel, Borchard, etc; and hope in the bigs: Buerhle, Olivo, Crede, Harris, Mags. These are good players, we need to build the team the right way. We have had a number of players in this system the last three seasons, you cannot convince me that they all suck. If the rumors we have seen on this board are true then we are half way home here. Third, and this is more my hope than anything is that this orgainzation will look for the right people to fill these roles, not simply look within the organization for the best person it has to offer - find the best person regardless of where they come from. If the GM of this team is from inside or outside, great as longs as he/she HAS AS PLAN and knows how and what it will take to figure out what this team needs. And when this person hires the manager that they are the best to see the GM's plan through and that they are lockstep with each other on how the team should play in the field according to THE PLAN. My biggest criticism of both KW, JM, and really the entire organization is that they appear to have no plan whatsoever when it comes to running this ballclub. Hope is eternal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 12, 2003 Author Share Posted July 12, 2003 CLARKDOG YOU POSTED A GREAT LETTER. I FELT BETTER, BUT FEEL EVEN BETTER AFTER THE WIN IN GAME ONE. KONERKO CAME THROUGH AND GORDON SHOWED HE IS THE CLOSER. NOW WE HOPE THE REST STEP UP TOO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 It is amazing how slow we are as a team. Now that I've given up mentally, it's been easier to relax and enjoy the games. I'm not even mad watching Manuel leave Porzio in too long. It's rather amusing. p.s. Nice job by Paulie in game one. I give him kudos for another clutch moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Really good post Clarkdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 I wouldnt feel sorry for those dirtbag Twins if they didnt win a fricken game all year and their stadium was burnt down. In fact, that would be good cause to throw a party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 I wouldn't feel sorry for anyone. These are grown men who are playing with no passion. There's simply no way that Kansas City is the best team in our division. The Sox and the Twins both have a great shot to take the division and I believe whichever one of these teams plays the best in the second half will indeed win the division. However, until the Sox decide to step up and play with intensity on every pitch, they will just be a mediocre team in a mediocre division. Hopefully Buehrle can get us back on track this afternoon. And if the Twins and Sox continue to mail in the effort KC will have the honor of being swept in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosk8 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Kansas City isn't the best team but they have a good manager and play like they want something. It makes a huge difference. I'm sorry, but I don't buy this argument. I have played for many years and have never had a manager who I played any harder for than any other manager. I've never dogged it because the manager didn't motivate me. If you are competitive, if you have the drive and desire, you show up to play everyday. You play to win. This team is a group of duds. In any given 4-2 game, if we have 2 guys on base, the next batter is thinking about hitting a home run regardless of what JM or Greg Walker is preaching to them. Everyone on this team wants to be a hero with the long-ball. KC has baseball players, not a group of DH's playing positions. They play all facets of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Kansas City isn't the best team but they have a good manager and play like they want something. It makes a huge difference. I'm sorry, but I don't buy this argument. I have played for many years and have never had a manager who I played any harder for than any other manager. I've never dogged it because the manager didn't motivate me. If you are competitive, if you have the drive and desire, you show up to play everyday. You play to win. This team is a group of duds. In any given 4-2 game, if we have 2 guys on base, the next batter is thinking about hitting a home run regardless of what JM or Greg Walker is preaching to them. Everyone on this team wants to be a hero with the long-ball. KC has baseball players, not a group of DH's playing positions. They play all facets of the game. Youve played professionally? Or are you just talking about rec leagues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Kansas City isn't the best team but they have a good manager and play like they want something. It makes a huge difference. I'm sorry, but I don't buy this argument. I have played for many years and have never had a manager who I played any harder for than any other manager. I've never dogged it because the manager didn't motivate me. If you are competitive, if you have the drive and desire, you show up to play everyday. You play to win. This team is a group of duds. In any given 4-2 game, if we have 2 guys on base, the next batter is thinking about hitting a home run regardless of what JM or Greg Walker is preaching to them. Everyone on this team wants to be a hero with the long-ball. KC has baseball players, not a group of DH's playing positions. They play all facets of the game. Youve played professionally? Or are you just talking about rec leagues? Heh, does it matter? The guy's right, and that's all that matters to me. Players MUST be self-motivated to succeed in the majors, and it appears that the Sox' roster is full of players that are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 13, 2003 Author Share Posted July 13, 2003 Kansas City isn't the best team but they have a good manager and play like they want something. It makes a huge difference. I'm sorry, but I don't buy this argument. I have played for many years and have never had a manager who I played any harder for than any other manager. I've never dogged it because the manager didn't motivate me. If you are competitive, if you have the drive and desire, you show up to play everyday. You play to win. This team is a group of duds. In any given 4-2 game, if we have 2 guys on base, the next batter is thinking about hitting a home run regardless of what JM or Greg Walker is preaching to them. Everyone on this team wants to be a hero with the long-ball. KC has baseball players, not a group of DH's playing positions. They play all facets of the game. The home run ball is the motivator for many of the Sox players and I think that's exactly the problem. There have been so many times when we get a runner on base with no outs and the next hitters up pop up, ground it into the dirt, usually back to the mound, and into a DP. The unselfish players will try and take it to the opposite field, or at least make the pitcher work and throw more than one or two pitches so everyone can get a look at what he is bringing to the plate and then get the good pitch to hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Players MUST be self-motivated to succeed in the majors, and it appears that the Sox' roster is full of players that are not. Too bad it's not just the players. Lack of motivation starts from the very top of this Organization and trickles down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chosk8 Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 Kansas City isn't the best team but they have a good manager and play like they want something. It makes a huge difference. I'm sorry, but I don't buy this argument. I have played for many years and have never had a manager who I played any harder for than any other manager. I've never dogged it because the manager didn't motivate me. If you are competitive, if you have the drive and desire, you show up to play everyday. You play to win. This team is a group of duds. In any given 4-2 game, if we have 2 guys on base, the next batter is thinking about hitting a home run regardless of what JM or Greg Walker is preaching to them. Everyone on this team wants to be a hero with the long-ball. KC has baseball players, not a group of DH's playing positions. They play all facets of the game. Youve played professionally? Or are you just talking about rec leagues? As clujer420 said, it doesn't matter, but for the record I played 4 years of college ball and a had a cup of coffee in the minors. You need to be self motivated in any competitive situation. I am in no way saying JM should not be fired, as a matter of fact that is the only logical move from here. Pro players get paid either way, playing or being benched and I think too many of our guys are either content or are just too comfortable because JM is the scapegoat. You get benched in college where there is no paycheck involved that is when you see guys fighting to get their positions back. Being benched means something there. Playing for the love of the game and playing to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Too bad it's not just the players. Lack of motivation starts from the very top of this Organization and trickles down. Maybe so, but the players that are on the field are the ones that win or lose games. Management can put together 25 bums, but if they are motivated and try hard, anything can happen. And as a fan, I'd rather see a team of bums that gave it 100% than a team of potential all-stars that seem to not care half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebeck Fan Club Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 Face it, we're just not that good. Maybe just once in the next decade our team could overachieve instead of the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Too bad it's not just the players. Lack of motivation starts from the very top of this Organization and trickles down. Very true, but it hasn't sunk in to a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 this is depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 15, 2003 Author Share Posted July 15, 2003 this is depressing That's why I had to write the post. We got our hopes up again and ended the first half as the laughing stock of baseball losing to the D-Rays and Tigers and then starting the same way against the Tribe. But, hope springs eternal and maybe the all-star break is what we needed to get us thinking right as a team? The second half has a chance to be real interesting in our division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmookie Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 well make a run in the second half i think this team is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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