G&T Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Flip out: Baseball likely to eliminate coin flips DANA POINT, Calif. (AP)—No more flip decisions. Rather than heads or tails, baseball general managers plan to recommend that sites for division and wild-card tiebreakers be decided by wins and losses, rather than coin flips. “The team that performed better against the other team I think is the one that deserves to have home-field advantage, not an arbitrary coin flip,” San Diego Padres general manager Kevin Towers said Thursday as the annual GMs meeting ended. MLB staff is drafting a proposal for the GMs to consider next month when they gather at the winter meetings in Las Vegas, according to Jimmie Lee Solomon, executive vice president of baseball operations in the commissioner’s office. Head-to-head record between the tied clubs appears likely to be the first tiebreaker. “I think it’s better to decide it on the field,” Texas Rangers GM Jon Daniels said. The advantage of coin flips—or drawing of lots in the unlikely event of three- or four-way deadlocks—is that the clubs know the site of tiebreaker games in advance. Under a performance-based system, the sites might not be decided until the final day of the regular season. GMs will discuss the matter with their staffs before the winter meetings from Dec. 8-11. “They’re going to go back to talk to their ticket people, their stadium operations people, their special events people, to see how it would work,” Solomon said. Yahoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Sore losers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 The Sox coinflip was set before the HHH sweep series. Does anyone think the Sox would've played with the same attitude had they known if they were swept by the Twins, the twins would've had homefield in a tiebreaker in game 163? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 How are they going to decide who gets homefield for a Wild Card tie-breaker where the teams played a even amount of games and ended up tied for the season series then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 05:47 PM) How are they going to decide who gets homefield for a Wild Card tie-breaker where the teams played a even amount of games and ended up tied for the season series then? You can always add tie breakers. Go to division records then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) You can always add tie breakers. Go to division records then. I still think they should keep the coin flips in, but not do it in the beginning of September. I think the most logical thing is to base it off of head-to-head record and then have the coin flip there if it's needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Coin flips are dumb, had we lost the flip, people would have been b****ing forever about it, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) Coin flips are dumb, had we lost the flip, people would have been b****ing forever about it, period. No, cause if we did it any other way, we would of had to play at the baggy dome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) Coin flips are dumb, had we lost the flip, people would have been b****ing forever about it, period. Absolutely if the shoe was on the other foot, White Sox fans would have brought b****ing to a new level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:30 PM) Absolutely if the shoe was on the other foot, White Sox fans would have brought b****ing to a new level. Why in the world would we b****? What other way could they have done it with the White Sox getting the home field advantage? Our record against the Twins was worse than the Twins record against us. So that would mean they should have home field. We had the same actual records. I doubt they would do record vs. own division. Basically, the coin flip was the only chance the Sox had at getting that game at home. Win or lose, you'll take it cause you have a 50/50 shot. If you don't, you'll have no chance. What would you take? 50% chance or 0% chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:53 PM) Why in the world would we b****? What other way could they have done it with the White Sox getting the home field advantage? Our record against the Twins was worse than the Twins record against us. So that would mean they should have home field. We had the same actual records. I doubt they would do record vs. own division. Basically, the coin flip was the only chance the Sox had at getting that game at home. Win or lose, you'll take it cause you have a 50/50 shot. If you don't, you'll have no chance. What would you take? 50% chance or 0% chance? Your post is a little confusing to me. I'm just saying if the Sox would have beaten the Twins 10-8 head-to-head, and the Twins won the coin flip, Sox fans would have been pissed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 08:53 PM) Why in the world would we b****? What other way could they have done it with the White Sox getting the home field advantage? Our record against the Twins was worse than the Twins record against us. So that would mean they should have home field. We had the same actual records. I doubt they would do record vs. own division. Basically, the coin flip was the only chance the Sox had at getting that game at home. Win or lose, you'll take it cause you have a 50/50 shot. If you don't, you'll have no chance. What would you take? 50% chance or 0% chance? This proves the coin flip system is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 So Minnesota whined enough...BFD. Goody for them! Let's just beat their asses up there then. Do coin flips suck?...ask the '69 Bears and Suns about it. They didn't whine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think getting rid of the coin flips is a great idea, I'm just glad they were still in effect for the 2008 season!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 So it begs the question... If the season series is tied as well, then what would they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 09:34 AM) So it begs the question... If the season series is tied as well, then what would they do? 1. head to head 2. division record 3. coin flip ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) Coin flips are dumb, had we lost the flip, people would have been b****ing forever about it, period. That. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 7, 2008 -> 09:49 AM) That. Oh I totally agree. Soxtalk would have been up in arms. No doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 If you are going to drop the coin flip Head to Head Division League Coin Flip The bias becomes if one team plays more home games against the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:03 PM) Your post is a little confusing to me. I'm just saying if the Sox would have beaten the Twins 10-8 head-to-head, and the Twins won the coin flip, Sox fans would have been pissed. But we didn't win the season series... That's what I'm saying. Given our circumstances this year, it was a blessing to do the coin flip, win or lose. I know I wouldn't of b****ed had we lost the coin flip. I would of b****ed at the fact that our guys couldn't beat the Twins once in the Twinkie Dome in three chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 6, 2008 -> 09:40 PM) This proves the coin flip system is stupid. From the losing team's point of view, yes. From our point of view, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 so rather than winning a series against the Kansas City f***ing Royals, the Twins are going to b**** about the coinflip? I don't know what I would have done if the Sox had lost the coinflip, but Minnesota has no reason to b****, because they were playing a last place team and lost a series. Only after the Sox 162nd game did the Royals become a 4th place team. You want it decided on the field? Then capitalize on a soft schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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